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To: cfimx who wrote (7748)	2/15/1998 8:07:00 PM
From: micromike	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Once again your response is very weak Twister. No actual fact to back up your general statement. I sure hope you don't work for microslop in its legal department or should I say I hope you are and you are currently working on the Sun/MS Java suit. Since it's Sunday and I don't have much to do. I guess I can hunt up a few NC articles and real links to show you part of the reason why the NC is the future. Thin Clients Can Mean a Big Edge applix.com By providing location independence, desktop independence and the tools for exceptionally rapid application deployment, Applix Anyware can change the speed at which critical decisions are made. Whether you're in the office or on the road, you need to communicate with your co-workers and be able to share documents with them. Applix Anyware Office supplies all the desktop productivity tools for thin clients by using a powerful server application engine and a thin Java display client. This allows heavy application work (spreadsheet calculations and database connectivity) to be done on servers while only the user interface is displayed on the thin client. --- California county slashes computing costs with the IBM Network Station pc.ibm.com "Right off the bat, we could see the Network Stations were going to save us at least 25 percent to 75 percent versus deploying PCs," says John Forberg, deputy CIO at Contra Costa County's Central Information Technology Department. "They were easy to install - it took us just an hour from shipping pallet to production - and are much easier to upgrade and maintain because their applications and data are stored on servers, not at the desktop." --- This analogy should be simple enough for you. Before you can run you have to crawl then you walk and then finally you can run. The NC's are just starting to crawl and MS is still after 10 years only walking. The reason I say this is that as a home consumer product MS been a total failure in addressing what the consumers demand and deserve. They and I just want to run applications and not be bothered with the OS. I don't see MS solving this problem with the NT. I can see one day the NC solving this problem. If as you say the NC is DOA why is MS so interested in fragmenting Java and why did they buy Webtv ? It appears that Webtv is turning into a NC as time progresses. Next time lets post some links. It sure looks like I'm doing all the work on this discussion. A link to where NT would let the users run applications and not be bothered with the OS would be a good start. Hows does that go www.in-your-dreams.com Mike

To: cfimx who wrote (7748)	2/16/1998 10:53:00 AM
From: John Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Twister,re:"NC". NC is not that popular at the 'individual level'. In the corporate level, I think they are doing it. Read 'us.news and world report' on IBM's view of the future computing model and how it is used in IBM and who/how they are selling NC to. The PC maybe $1000/unit, the cost of software(MSFT's annual TAX on upgrade and the OS wouldn't work if you miss one of the UPGRADE they design into the OS), administrative cost are fairly sustantial, from corporate's point of view. You have to do data backup, replace the disk sooner or later and the pain to 'recover that data', etc. For individual, we just consider it just like paying TAX. I see my next PC has both winXX and Linux loaded. The winXX is for the kid to play game. The Linux for other FREE stuff that comes on the net. With Linux, you don't have to worry about the OS not operable if one of the component (like browser) is missng. This component (and other when necessary) is soon to be designed into part of the MSFT's OS features because it kills the competition(netscape). Do you HONESTLY believe the browser is part of winXX if there is no netscape? Nothing wrong with that, since by law(?) we are allowed and encouraged to make as much money as possible in whatever way(?), again within "law".