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To: Les H who wrote (38875)10/21/2023 10:37:47 AM
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To: Les H who wrote (38875)10/21/2023 10:38:13 AM
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Gerhard Schröder in an interview: This is how the peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia failed
The former chancellor talks about Olaf Scholz's Israel policy, migrant anti-Semitism, Baerbock's morality and what a new peace plan for Ukraine could look like.

Tomasz Kurianowicz and Moritz Eichhorn
Oct 20, 2023 | 11:42 p.m

berliner-zeitung.de

In 2022 I received a request from Ukraine as to whether I could mediate between Russia and Ukraine. The question was whether I could convey a message to Putin. Someone would also come along who had a very close relationship with the Ukrainian president himself. That was Rustem Umyerov, Ukraine's current defense minister. He is a member of the Crimean Tatar minority. Then the question was: How to end the war?

How?

There are five points. First: Ukraine's renunciation of NATO membership. Ukraine cannot meet the conditions anyway. Second: the problem of language. The Ukrainian parliament has abolished bilingualism. That has to be changed. Third: Donbass remains part of Ukraine. But Donbass needs greater autonomy. A working model would be that of South Tyrol. Fourth: Ukraine also needs security guarantees. The United Nations Security Council plus Germany should provide these guarantees. Fifth: Crimea. How long has Crimea been Russian? For Russia, Crimea is more than just a region, but part of its history. The war could be ended if geopolitical interests were not at play.

And international law.

Yes, but this is not just a legal question. The only people who could settle the war against Ukraine are the Americans. At the peace negotiations in March 2022 in Istanbul with Rustem Umjerov, the Ukrainians did not agree to peace because they were not allowed to. They first had to ask the Americans about everything they discussed. I had two conversations with Umyerov, then a one-on-one conversation with Putin and then with Putin's envoy. Umyerov opened the conversation with greetings from Zelensky. The Austrian model or the 5+1 model was proposed as a compromise for Ukraine's security guarantees. Umjerow thought that was good. He also showed willingness on the other points. He also said that Ukraine does not want NATO membership. He also said that Ukraine wants to reintroduce Russian in Donbass. But in the end nothing happened. My impression: Nothing could happen because everything else was decided in Washington. That was fatal. Because the result will now be that Russia will be tied more closely to China, which the West should not want.

And the Europeans?

You have failed. There would have been a window in March 2022. Ukrainians were ready to talk about Crimea. Even the Bild newspaper confirmed this at the time.

( Gerhard Schröder shows a page from the BILD newspaper with the title “Peace finally in sight?” It says: “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyj (44) himself had already indicated concessions for negotiations: he is no longer insisting on NATO - His country's accession, he told the US broadcaster ABC. And he was also ready for a 'compromise' about Crimea and the breakaway provinces in Donbass. 'In every negotiation, my goal is to end the war with Russia,' he said Zelenskyj to BILD.”)

According to Ukraine, the Bucha massacres committed by the Russians led to the end of the negotiations.

Nothing was known about Butscha during the talks with Umjerov on March 7th and 13th. I think the Americans didn't want the compromise between Ukraine and Russia. The Americans believe they can keep the Russians down. Now it is the case that two actors, China and Russia, who are limited by the USA , are joining forces. Americans believe they are strong enough to keep both sides in check. In my humble opinion, this is a mistake. Just look at how torn the American side is now. Look at the chaos in Congress.

The Americans overestimated themselves?

That's what I'm expecting.

Do you think your peace plan can be resumed?

Yes. And the only ones who can initiate this are France and Germany.

But how can you trust the Russians? In January 2022 it was said that the Russians did not want a war with Ukraine. Then, when the Russians invaded Donbass, it was said that the Russians didn't want to go to Kiev. All of these promises have been broken. Why shouldn't we be afraid that the Russians will go further and further?

We have no threat. This fear of the Russians coming is absurd. How are they supposed to defeat NATO, let alone occupy Western Europe?

They have almost come to Kiev.

What do the Russians want? Status quo in Donbass and Crimea. Not more. I think it was a fatal mistake that Putin started the war. It is clear to me that Russia feels threatened. Look: Turkey is a NATO member. There are missiles that can reach Moscow directly. The USA wanted to bring NATO to Russia's western border, with Ukraine as a new member, for example. All of this felt like a threat to the Russians. There are also irrational points of view. I don't want to deny that. The Russians responded with a mix of both: fear and forward defense. That's why no one in Poland, the Baltics, and certainly not in Germany - all NATO members, by the way - has to believe they are in danger. The Russians would not start a war with any NATO member.

Good, but then in this logic it also means: There is no threat of escalation, then we can continue to supply weapons if the Russians do not attack us.

If you combine that with an offer, you can do that. We Germans have also delivered a lot - to the delight of the American and German arms industries. Why did Scholz and Macron not combine the arms deliveries with an offer to talk? Macron and Scholz are the only ones who can talk to Putin. Chirac and I did the same thing during the Iraq War. Why can't support for Ukraine be combined with an offer to talk to Russia? The arms deliveries are not a solution for eternity. But no one wants to talk. Everyone is sitting in trenches. How many more people have to die? It's a bit like the Middle East. Who are the victims on one side and on the other? Poor people who lose their children. None of the people who matter are moving. The only one who got anything done, even though he is always vilified, was Erdogan with his grain agreement. This really bothers me.

The question remains whether Putin even wants to negotiate. Kremlin insiders told us that Putin certainly wanted to conquer Kiev, but had overestimated Russia's capabilities.

I don't know that. Look: There are two people who are important in Moscow. Putin, the most important, and Medvedev. The latter has its own influence on Russian society. He is Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council. Nobody in the West wants to hear it: No matter who is in power, there is a conviction in Russia that the West wants to expand further with NATO, namely into the post-Soviet space. Keyword: Georgia and Ukraine. No one at the head of Russia will allow this. This threat analysis may be emotional, but it is real in Russia. The West must understand this and accept compromises accordingly, otherwise peace will be difficult to achieve.

That's why the Americans protect us.

But protection for what? Do you seriously believe that after the disaster that the Russians are experiencing with their war in Ukraine, they are now thinking about attacking Western Europe?

The Poles feel really threatened.

This is something else. Since they joined NATO, they are no longer threatened. No one in Russia seriously thinks about getting into a conflict with NATO.

Putin has broken his word too often.

Where?

Be it that he said he would not attack Ukraine.

I have never received such insurance.

There is much more...

There is also related material on the same negotiations.

Inside Israel's failed Ukraine-Russia mediation efforts

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