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Biotech / Medical : Vivus: into single digits -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: BigKNY3 who wrote (91)	2/17/1998 9:12:00 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1016

BigK, the web threads are known to be full of hustlers.Some are disseminating unfounded rumors to bring a stock down; they are called shorts ( although not all shorts spread rumors ,GG>. Some are longs and hustling stocks at PEs of 50+, 100+ < GG>.To me that's hustling and I will call a hustler that, exactly what he is. I did not attack Dale personally. If you read my post, I attacked his INVESTMENT METHOD; I said, it is unfounded, illogical,and if he keeps it up he could be accused of hustling. So far he has not presented any data. You mentioned facts.When did Dale present any facts?We are not interested in opinions although we can tolerate some opinionmongering as long as we get some facts with it.That is what I try and do. I will ask Dale again to come forth with some facts.He can tell us that MUSE didn't work for him. OK, I will accept that and I am not interested in a scientific presentation ( because I have no way of validating his data;); it will be his experience. It is different from other's experience. OK; if he wants to get into why, I'll be glad to have a discussion; amybe it is his patient selection; maybe the education; who knows.However when he starts GENERALIZING and saying that MUSE doesn't work for anybody then we need a reference. Where is the reference?This is what a real Urologist would do: disagree with me on the basis of some reference. This is how we do it in medicine. This is why sooner or later you can tell when somebody is not a physician from somebody who is: non - physicians on the web are unable to carry on a debate based on the scientific data and resort to opinion mongering.Non-physiscians on the web who portend to talk expertly about medical data like Clueless in the ZONA thread are one big joke amongst physicians. You can't get through med school like that BigK, < GGGG >.It's a little more complicated than that. TA

To: BigKNY3 who wrote (91)	2/17/1998 7:14:00 PM
From: BDR	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1016

<<Your frustration is showing and it's not pretty to read.>> You can understand his frustration when you realize that he has made trades like: Message 2684502 I will not get into a debate with him. He is such an easy target to attack personally but what would be the point of that? I am expressing my opinion and if he doesn't like my opinion, that's too bad. The only facts I will offer are these: VVUS share price in early October, 1997, was 41. Recent share price 13+/-. Did I cause that to happen? No. The reader should ask themselves: if even 10% of what TA says is true, why has the stock tanked?