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To: combjelly who wrote (276734)11/28/2023 6:27:55 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 356214
 
Actually I've only said that most of the antizionist people I've seen also don't like Jews. That's the closest I've come your accusation. Unforunately its true.

I looked at your Josh Marshall articles and saw nothing practical there.

You have a habit of assigning intent where there is no basis for doing so. In the case of the protesters at Cooper Union, you have no idea what their intent was. Then you want to use the librarians taking prudent measures as proof of the protesters intent. Given that the administrators of the college escaped out a back door as the protesters approached, do you take as proof that they were going to assault and/or kill them too? I might not blame them if they were. College administrators can be annoying...

Not with the Cooper Union guys pounding on the windows again. Yes, I do know what they wanted. So did the library and so do you really. Don't be stupid out of stubbornness.



To: combjelly who wrote (276734)11/28/2023 6:35:02 PM
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Renowned Canadian-born Israeli peace activist Vivian Silver is confirmed killed in Hamas attack



1 of 3 | FILE - A person holds a poster of Vivian Silver ,top center, as medical staff and health professionals attend a demonstration in front of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in London, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2023, calling for an immediate intervention in the case of the hostages kidnapped from Israel on Oct. 7.

Vivian Silver, a Canadian-born Israeli activist who devoted her life to seeking peace with the Palestinians, was confirmed killed in Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks in southern Israel. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung, File)



2 of 3 | FILE - A person at left holds a poster of Vivian Silver as medical staff and health professionals attend a demonstration in front of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in London, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2023, calling for an immediate intervention in the case of the hostages kidnapped from Israel on Oct. 7. Vivian Silver, a Canadian-born Israeli activist who devoted her life to seeking peace with the Palestinians, was confirmed killed in Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks in southern Israel. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung, File)



3 of 3 | FILE - A person holds a poster of Vivian Silver, front center, as medical staff and health professionals attend a demonstration in front of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in London, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2023, calling for an immediate intervention in the case of the hostages kidnapped from Israel on Oct. 7. Vivian Silver, a Canadian-born Israeli activist who devoted her life to seeking peace with the Palestinians, was confirmed killed in Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks in southern Israel. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung, File)

BY AMY TEIBEL
Updated 10:42 AM CST, November 14, 2023

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Vivian Silver, a Canadian-born Israeli activist who devoted her life to seeking peace with the Palestinians, was confirmed killed in Hamas’ Oct. 7 incursion into southern Israel.

For 38 days, Silver, who had moved to Israel in the 1970s and made her home in Kibbutz Be’eri, was believed to be among the nearly 240 hostages held in the Gaza Strip. But identification of some of the most badly burned remains has gone slowly, and her family was notified of her death on Monday.

Silver was a dominant figure in several groups that promoted peace between Israel and the Palestinians, as well as a prominent Israeli human rights group. She also volunteered with a group that drove Gaza cancer patients to Israeli hospitals for medical care.

“On the one hand, she was small and fragile. Very sensitive,” her son Yonatan Zeigen told Israel Radio on Tuesday. “On the other hand, she was a force of nature. She had a giant spirit. She was very assertive. She had very strong core beliefs about the world and life.”

Zeigen said he texted with his mother during the attack. The exchanges started out lighthearted, with Silver maintaining her sense of humor, he said. Suddenly, he said, there was a dramatic downturn when she understood the end had come, and militants stormed her house.

“Her heart would have been broken” by the events of Oct. 7 and its aftermath, Zeigen said. “She worked all her life, you know, to steer us off this course. And in the end, it blew up in her face.”

At least 1,200 people were killed in Hamas attacks on Israel while more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed so far in the Israeli war in Gaza, now in its 39th day.

“We went through three horrific wars in the space of six years,” Silver said in a 2017 interview with The Associated Press. “At the end of the third one, I said: ‘No more. We each have to do whatever we can to stop the next war. And it’s possible. We must reach a diplomatic agreement.’”

Zeigen said he has now taken on his mother’s baton.

“I feel like I’m in a relay race,” he said. “She has passed something on to me now. I don’t know what I’ll do with it, but I think we can’t turn the clock back now. We have to create something new now, something in the direction of what she worked for.”

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To: combjelly who wrote (276734)11/28/2023 6:39:18 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 356214
 

There are 2 million Arab citizens of Israel. Their lives are also in danger from Hamas. See how they treated the observant Muslim Bedouin. They were attacked, killed ( about 20 of them)) and some imprisoned just like the Jews
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'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' means doom for the Arabs of Israel too.

Jews, Bedouins unite in face of Hamas terror attacks on Israel
Hundreds of Bedouin and Jewish volunteers in Rahat prepare aid parcels in a collaborative atmosphere, despite the war taking place just miles away

By
Ruth Marks Eglash

November 14, 2023

RAHAT, Israel – The community center on the outskirts of this southern city looks like many others in Israel during these days of war: Hundreds of volunteers work double time to fill neat rows of white cardboard boxes with all manner of basic staples and fruit for distribution to thousands of families hardest hit by Hamas’ mass terror attack on Oct. 7.

Yet, Rahat, which sits less than 20 miles from the Gaza Strip, offers a slightly different perspective on a story that has already claimed thousands of victims and dragged Israel into a five-week war that shows no signs of slowing down.

With some 80,000 residents, Rahat is one of the largest Bedouin Arab cities in the entire Middle East and a central hub for hundreds of smaller, undocumented Bedouin villages and tribal communities that dot Israel’s Negev region.

Its deeply religious and conservative population has also felt the impact of the war — as well as the horrors of Hamas’ brutal attack.


It is not easy for us to talk about,” Daham Ziyadna, from the Ziyadna tribe near Rahat, told Jewish Insider. “We are talking about people who were murdered, we are talking about people who were kidnapped by Hamas.”

“Hamas came into Israel and attacked everyone, including people who were clearly Muslims, women wearing hijabs and speaking Arabic,
continued Ziyadna, whose cousin, Yousef, 53, and his three children, Hamza, 23, Bilal, 18, and Aisha, 17, were taken hostage by the Palestinian terrorists from their workplaces on Kibbutz Holit.

According to Ziyadna, the Hamas terrorists either did not believe the Bedouins they encountered during their murderous rampage were Muslims or they did not care.

“They [Hamas] called us Jews and murdered us,” he said, highlighting that more than 20 Bedouins were shot and killed by Hamas terrorists, and that the community continues to face hardship. Many have lost their jobs in the chaos that followed Oct. 7 and there is a widespread lack of infrastructure, such as bomb shelters offering protection from Hamas rockets.

OPERATIONS CENTER, RAHAT

In total, nine Bedouins are still missing since Oct. 7, with at least six believed to be held hostage by Hamas or other terror groups in Gaza. For the past eight years, Hamas has also held captive another Bedouin Israeli citizen, Hisham al-Sayed, who is believed to have entered Gaza by choice. A video of him hooked up to an oxygen machine was released by the group in 2022.

“We have suffered, and we continue to suffer,” said Ziyadna, highlighting that the Bedouin community in southern Israel, where many of the roughly 200,000 Bedouins have direct or indirect family ties and connection to people in Gaza, often face discrimination inside Israel too, despite being full-fledged citizens, with some even volunteering to serve in the Israeli military.

“Our sons serve in the army, and some are inside Gaza fighting right now,” he emphasized, adding, “Many families here have spilled their blood for Israel, and it is time we are viewed as equal citizens.”

On Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited the IDF’s Bedouin Desert Patrol Battalion commending the soldiers for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with their Jewish brothers.

“They have fought, and are now fighting, heroically,” Netanyahu told the commanders of the Bedouin unit. “They are safeguarding our country in an exemplary manner and in full partnership.”

In the community center in Rahat, which is now being used as an operations center to help families such as the Ziyadnas, as well as Jewish residents of nearby towns who have been impacted by the war, the goal of promoting coexistence and highlighting the Bedouin plight are clear.

The hundreds of volunteers preparing the food parcels are a mix of Bedouins and Jews and the atmosphere, despite the heaviness of war just a few miles away, is collaborative, even jovial.

Racheli Geffen, digital director and press officer of Have You Seen the Horizon Lately, one of several NGOs overseeing the war effort in Rahat, told JI that the city’s operations center was established days after the Oct. 7 attack to push back against far right-wing activists that might use it as an excuse to further divide Israeli society or blame Israeli Arabs for what happened.

“We thought the best way to fight the darkness was to turn on the light of solidarity and coexistence,” said Geffen, adding, “There is no war between Jews and Arabs in Israel, this is a war between extremists and moderates.”

The food packages and other resources being prepared here were delivered by both Jewish and Arab truck drivers to more than 2,000 Jewish and Arab families struggling since the war started. The organizations running the operation include Jewish and Bedouin NGOs, said Geffen, including Desert Stars, a young Bedouin leadership program; Alnashmiat, a leadership group for Bedouin women; and Itach Maaki, an association of female lawyers for social justice.

Hanan Alsanah, a lawyer working with Itach Maaki, said the operations center in Rahat was started by Bedouins almost immediately after the Oct. 7 massacre and Jews from further afield joined them a few days later.

Alsanah, a mother of four who lives in nearby Beersheva, said that in the first few hours of the Hamas’ attack, the Bedouins – like many other Israelis – did not fully comprehend what was happening, but as soon as they did, they jumped into action. Doctors and nurses from the community rushed to area hospitals and some brave souls even headed out to the Israel-Gaza communities and the Nova music festival, just a few miles away, to save lives.

Tales of heroism have since emerged, of individuals who headed straight into the line of fire to rescue friends and strangers, even as terrorists rampaged near Rahat and other Bedouin towns.

Despite the outpouring of help, Alsanah said there is a concern that the attack – and now the war – will damage an already delicate relationship that exists here between Jews and Arabs.

“Only with partnership initiatives like this, can we rebuild and maintain that trust,” she said, adding that “Hamas does not represent everyone in Gaza” and all Israelis need to push back against these extreme voices.

Among those volunteering at the center last week were two 19-year-old students from Rahat — Azhar and Manar — both of whom said they felt it was important to volunteer because what is happening right now “is not just against the Jews.”

“This situation is hard for all of us, and we need to work hand in hand to get through this,” said Azhar. “We need to work together if we want to move forward as a society.”

Michal Geta, 44, a Jewish volunteer from the nearby community of Meitar, also said it was “important for our future for all citizens to join forces at this time.”

“I believe that most people in Israel are in favor of coexistence between all citizens here – we all live here together and no one is going anywhere,” she said.

jewishinsider.com


Terrorists kidnapped a 17-year-old wearing a hijab
One might expect Islamists to at least show compassion toward Muslims, but even that is not the case.

By Michael Selutin | Nov 21, 2023
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israeltoday.co.il




To: combjelly who wrote (276734)11/28/2023 6:43:57 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 356214
 
Here are pics of Muslim Arab prisoners of Hamas. I guess the antizionists would scrape these pics off too.



Four family members, father Youssef Ziyadne, sons Hamza and Bilal and daughter Aisha, have been missing since October 7, 2023 (Courtesy)