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To: Bill who wrote (1434001)1/17/2024 10:19:57 PM
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FatRump is a phony




To: Bill who wrote (1434001)1/17/2024 10:39:16 PM
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EVs: Unsuitable As Primary Transportation
The Market Ticker - Commentary on The Capital Markets

2024-01-17 07:00 by Karl Denninger
EVs: Unsuitable As Primary Transportation

Yep -- unsuitable in most of the United States.

Sure, there are exceptions (e.g. Florida south of roughly Orlando) and most of California. But not most of the rest of the nation.

The reason is simple: You cannot charge them when the battery is below 32F -- that is, freezing.

The control system in the vehicle prevent it for a very good reason: If they didn't the battery would be damaged and might catch fire down the road, so the computer prevents that from happening.

If its reasonably below 32F then the vehicle's software can use various strategies to warm the battery up some. For example, intentionally dissipating power in the motor(s) without moving the vehicle (e.g. opposing fields) which of course generates heat and the motor's cooling system can circulate that into the pack. Once the pack is above 32F you can charge it.

But these strategies fail when its -10F out and worse, windy besides because the heat is dissipated faster than you can generate it.

This is similar to what happens with a diesel if you do not have sufficient anti-gel additive in it for the conditions, which does happen to people sometimes. There is nothing you can do in that situation (the fuel is a solid!) other than bring the car or truck inside and let it thaw out, which is likely to take a day or two.

The same is true here except in the case of the diesel you have a mitigation strategy in the form of having the correct winter-blend fuel in the vehicle before the cold hits, and/or dosing it before it gets cold with anti-gel. No such strategy is available for the EV.

If your vehicle is a luxury good you can afford to have disabled under expected but severe conditions then have at it. I get it; people like them and provided that's the case its fine.

But trying to argue you can replace a fuel-powered vehicle which, if in good repair, will start and run even when its -10F outside and continue to do so provided it has fuel, is false. Much worse in situations like this the excess heat that such a vehicle generates when it is running can be difference between living and dying.

We do not use hydrocarbons for energy because we're pigs.

We use them because they keep us from freezing to death and allow us to get where we need to go right here and now, and nothing else invented by man other than nuclear (which is obviously not applicable to a personal-sized thing) is, at the present time, up to that job.



To: Bill who wrote (1434001)1/18/2024 12:56:48 AM
From: FJB  Respond to of 1573926