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Piers Morgan vs Jeffrey Sachs
What is your view of Vladimir Putin?
Well, I think he's very smart, very tough, and I think he says what he means.
In 2007, he said, don't do this.
At the Munich security conference, famously, he said, all right, you went violating what I know to be true, by the way, which was not an inch eastward for NATO, promised by James Baker II and by Hans-Dietrich Genscher to Gorbachev in 1990.
I know that's for sure the case.
The United States expanded NATO to Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic in the Clinton period, and then to seven more countries in 2004.
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania and Bulgaria.
And then in 2007, Putin said, stop.
All right, stop.
No more.
Not to Ukraine.
So what does George W do in 2008?
In Bucharest, of course. What does he do?
He says, guarantee Ukraine and Georgia.
And this is Palmerston's playbook from 1853.
So we're going to surround Russia in the Black Sea again.
Exactly that.
Okay, just to interrupt, though, I just asked you what your view of Putin is, and so far, you've just said he's smart and tough.
I told you.
Any negatives, professor?
I believe that the big mistake of both sides is we should talk this out.
And now let me say a word about talking it out.
In 2008, when Bucharest happened, european leaders called me because I'm friends with them.
They said, what is your crazy president doing, by the way?
Some who are in power right now, I won't name names.
What is your president doing?
Why is he destabilising things?
He promised he wasn't going to push Ukraine.
That's what european leaders say in private.
They don't say it in public.
We avoided the negotiations.
Then 2014 came, sadly, Piers.
I saw some of it firsthand.
It was ugly.
The United States should not be funding overthrows of governments. We did. I know it.
Okay.
So I happened to be there soon afterwards
with the handpicked government, handpicked by Victoria Nuland.
We didn't talk then.
Then came the Minsk agreements.
And then the United States said privately, even though the UN Security Council has backed both Minsk one and Minsk II, you don't have to do this.
And so with Poroshenko.
Don't worry about it.
Then we heard, of course, Chancellor Merkel say afterwards, yeah, we weren't taking it too seriously, even though Germany and France were the guarantors of that.
Then, on December 15, 2021, Putin put it down in a draught.
US Russia security agreement. I read it.
I called the White House.
I said, you know what you can negotiate on this basis?
Avoid the war. No.
There's going to be no war. Mr. Sachs.
I said, just tell them that
NATO is not going to enlarge.
You'll avoid the war.
No, we're never going to say that.
We have an open door policy. So.
What kind of open door policy?
We've had 200 years of the Monroe doctrine.
Some open door policy?
No, Mr. Sachs.
Then the war breaks out.
Then immediately Zelensky says, okay, we can be neutral.
We can be neutral and negotiations start.
As you know, Naftali Bennett, informally, the prime minister of Israel and Turkey with its very skilled diplomacy.
I actually flew to Ankara to discuss with the turkish diplomats what was going on.
The US stopped the agreement. Why?
Because they thought we'll win.
We can blade sanctions, you know, cutting them out of the banking system.
We're going to bring them to their knees.
It's a bunch of terrible miscalculations, is what it is. It's a game. Listen.
A terrible game.
I hear you.
What I'm fascinated by, though, is I've asked you to say what you think of Putin.
And so far, like I say, you've only called him tough and smart.
This is a guy that kills his political opponents.
This is a guy who.
This is a guy who rules his country like a gangster.
I'm struggling to understand why you can't find any negatives for the guy.
He's a dictator.
Because I'm trying to find peace, and you don't do it the way that Biden does.
Biden said, okay, he's a thug.
Biden says he's a crazy sober.
That's real good, Joe.
That's really getting us to where we want to go.
That's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead.
Can you not find anything negative to say about Vladimir Putin?
I don't think that what I say about Putin negative has anything to do with anything.
What I'm saying is, as I know.
Well, you were ready to call him smart.
You're ready to call him smart and smart
and tough, but you can't find anything.
I wrote a book about the cuban missile crisis and its aftermath.
Kennedy didn't go name calling Khrushchev.
He tried to save the world to stop the war afterwards.
He didn't insult Khrushchev.
What he did was sat down with him and negotiated the partial nuclear test ban treaty.
We're not in a game.
We're not in name calling.
We're not in a cage brawl.
We're trying to actually not have the world spiral into nuclear war.
So it's not that game.
The game is sit down and negotiate. |
