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To: Lane3 who wrote (284789)5/2/2024 12:44:15 PM
From: i-node  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 358091
 
>> That stuff is built into systems as needed.

What is built into the system guarantee that NO illegal aliens are allowed to vote? And don't give me that shit about how, "Well, it may happen, but it is rare." I know that trick. IF you can't protect a system against one intruder then you cannot be presume to have a system that will hold up against multiple intruders. If you can't give a precise count of the effect, then the only answer is, "I don't know".

Oh, but they could go to jail?


Yes, but they could go to jail for existing in the United States except they know they won't and these people aren't walking around fearing it.

In Liberty County, TX -- only a few miles from here -- the Colony Ridge settlement has grown to "60 square miles -- the size of Washington DC". It is located about 25 miles to the northeast of downtown Houston, and has grown to 75,000 or more. Illegals can purchase land on Texas land contracts with a two-page contract, no title work, no commitment. Like paying rent without a lease. Pitch a tent, whatever.

Your argument that our elections are secure is based on one thing: "These people don't WANT to vote". The entire argument is logically untenable.


But these people DO want a say. They sure do. They want to thank the guy who let them come in in spite of it being entirely illegal do so. They want control of their newly purchased land. They want lives like everyone else. They have one problem: The broke the law to get here and in doing so violated the rights of everyone who lives here legitimately. There is a proper way to come here, and what these people -- regardless of Biden's incompetence - is entirely illegal. Many are good people trying to make their ways in life. Many are evil. And we don't know which are which. We don't know which will the next Kate Steinley murderer. Or which will turn out to be a Nobel Prize winner.

So, when you claim that you have control over elections, that is just a lie. You know you do not. What you THINK is that the problem might be de minimis.

And what exactly do you think is built in to systems that will prevent this?

Your argument is what we always hear. You have no serious verification of legal status or citizenship (for federal elections) in most cities. It just isn't there. A person can register to vote and declare citizenship and in many areas no one knows the better; and from that point forward he/she will be a citizen for voting purposes, illegally.

You can argue that, "No one would do that because it is illegal" (that is the Brennan Center's absurd argument after claiming there are plenty of "protections"). I just hate to tell you this but probably 1 in 3 people living in the US don't give a shit what any law is. We have been so watered down with meaningless BS in the law that they do not care. You might want to pick up an episode or two of "Cops".

Your reliance is on the specious claim that this 1 in 3 or whatever it is, actually give a shit is not tantamount to have controls on the system. And particularly, if there is money in it, they'll do it. $5 million could buy 50,000 votes -- enough to change the outcome in 2020 -- just about anywhere in the country with a large city.

I'm not knocking you here but you are exceptionally naive on this topic. When I was young growing up in small town Arkansas, I lived in a "dry" county. WE had to drive 30 miles to the nearest liquor store. Now, I routinely drove across the Louisiana line where I could go in a liquor store at 16 or 17 and buy a few beers. But sometimes I didn't feel like, and just stopped by the bootlegger, paid a little premium, and the guy walked out to his well in the back yard and came back with my "order". He knew it was illegal. I knew it was illegal. But we both knew no one was going to do a thing. It was a way for him to make a few bucks and for me to skip having to make a trip to Louisiana.

The honor system doesn't work.



To: Lane3 who wrote (284789)5/2/2024 6:47:01 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 358091
 
That stuff is built into systems as needed.

Yeah. And if the system can be shown to be deficit, then modifications can be discussed and adjustments made.