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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (302678)	9/16/2024 6:52:09 PM
From: Wharf Rat	4 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita GPS Info John Koligman pocotrader Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 358739

"how about de-escalating by removing all your troops from Ukraine?" We don't have troops in Ukraine. -- "Appeasement doesn't work with murderous thugs" And yet you want to try it again by letting Putin keep what he's conquered, in exchange for peace. This is what appeasement looks like. 302624 -- "When you and Dick Cheney are on the same side, you might do well to check your premises. Does that not give you at least a little pause? A pause for hope? Yes. A pause to ponder why so many of his former supporters aren't coming with him? Yes. A pause to wonder when we can go back to being on opposite sides? For sure. A pause to decide whether I would ever vote for him? No. -- "Or maybe you were one of the suckers who believed the wmd obvious bullshit and thought the war hunky dory" Quite the contrary. == "Amusingly, you and the latest assassin think YOU are on the side of good...The USA second amendment looks likely to be very useful maybe very soon." The assassin was exerting his 2nd Amendment rights yesterday. Rat, who still believes in non-violence, and doesn't believe that assassins are on the side of good, used his 2nd Amendment rights to buy a gun in case just in case a Hitler wanna-be came to power. -- "Stopping Trump with a bullet was saving democracy" Stopping any pol with a bullet is anti-democratic.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (302678)	9/16/2024 7:28:17 PM
From: Lane3	8 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita bentway Brumar89 combjelly John Koligman and 3 more members Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 358739

how about de-escalating by removing all your troops from Ukraine? ... It would mean Russia conquered and USA taken over Ukraine including Crimea. You have a strange set of defaults. If Russia withdrew from Ukraine, that would return to the status quo ante, not the US or NATO taking over Ukraine. The US doesn't does not set out to absorb other countries like Russia with Ukraine. When it moves in, it fixes or messes things up depending on one's perspective, and then leaves the real estate to its rightful owner. The US has no interest in increasing its real estate. Countries have boundaries. The US and Europe are committed to respecting those established boundaries. Russia wants to grow Russia, restore Greater Russia if not the Soviet Union turf by taking over other peoples' turf. Your word usage consistently negates the default, which is that everybody retains its own patch. That makes Europe and NATO and the US good citizens of the world at least to that extent of basic respect for boundaries because they have no designs on any other country's turf. Whatever else the good guys may do, in the final analysis they respect the default lines on the map. That's Civilization 101. WRT your terminology, those who covet and attack the turf of others are the aggressors. Everybody else is shoring up the defaults. When one countries troops are in another country, it matters if they are there at the request of the country being shored up or to conquer. That's the critical marker.