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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7676)12/23/2024 8:01:29 AM
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You said:

Why do Irish people associate and support the Palestinian cause so strongly?


Is it political?

Is it cultural because they have been oppressed or is it something else.

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The strong support for the Palestinian cause among many Irish people is rooted in a combination of historical, political, cultural, and solidarity factors. Here’s a breakdown of why this support exists:

1. Historical Parallels: One of the most significant reasons is the historical parallels between the Irish experience of colonialism and oppression and the Palestinian struggle. Ireland’s own history of British colonial rule, which included violent repression, land dispossession, cultural suppression, and partition, resonates deeply with Palestinians, who have faced similar struggles under Israeli occupation and displacement.

  • Colonial Legacy: Just as Ireland was under British rule for centuries, Palestinians have been living under occupation and the effects of colonialism, first under the Ottoman Empire and later under British rule (the British Mandate for Palestine). The ongoing Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is often seen as a continuation of that colonial legacy.

  • Partition: Ireland was partitioned in 1921, with the creation of Northern Ireland, which remained part of the United Kingdom. Palestinians face a similar sense of division and fragmentation due to the establishment of Israel in 1948 and the subsequent creation of an apartheid system in the occupied territories. This division is seen as deeply unjust by many in Ireland, drawing strong comparisons with their own experience of partition.

2. Political Solidarity: The Irish political left, including political parties, activists, and various social movements, has historically been outspoken in advocating for Palestinian rights. Ireland has a tradition of supporting movements for self-determination, including the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa.

  • Support for Liberation Movements: Like the Irish Republican movement, which sought independence from British rule, many see the Palestinian struggle as one for national self-determination. This solidarity is also linked to the idea of standing against injustice wherever it occurs, with Irish people recognizing the Palestinian desire for sovereignty, justice, and an end to occupation.

  • Government and Civil Society Support: While the Irish government has been relatively consistent in supporting Palestinian rights within international forums like the UN, the issue of Palestine is also heavily supported by civil society, including grassroots organizations, NGOs, and student movements. In fact, Ireland has been one of the most vocal European countries advocating for Palestinian statehood and has consistently voted in favor of UN resolutions condemning Israeli policies in the occupied territories.

3. Cultural Connections: Irish identity is shaped by a history of cultural resilience in the face of oppression, and many Irish people see in the Palestinian struggle a similar fight to preserve culture, land, and identity.

  • Shared Sense of Injustice: The oppression faced by the Palestinian people, from the forced displacement of families (e.g., the Nakba of 1948) to the continued struggle for self-determination, strikes a chord with the Irish, whose own language, culture, and identity were also under threat during British colonialism.

  • Emotional and Narrative Connections: Over the years, many Irish artists, writers, and public figures have drawn parallels between Ireland’s fight for independence and Palestine’s ongoing struggle. These cultural expressions, which highlight themes of resistance, resilience, and justice, further strengthen the solidarity between the two peoples.

4. The Role of the Irish Diaspora: Ireland’s diaspora, particularly in the U.S., has long been involved in global political movements, including the Palestinian cause. Irish-Americans, who have their own experiences of ethnic discrimination, have been instrumental in raising awareness about Palestinian rights, drawing comparisons to their ancestors' struggles.

5. Religious Connections: While this may not be the dominant factor, some Irish people—particularly those from Catholic backgrounds—see the Palestinian plight through a lens of religious solidarity. Christians in Palestine (alongside Muslims) have been among the most persecuted groups under Israeli policies, and there is a sense of kinship with fellow Christians facing oppression in the Holy Land.

6. Anti-Imperialism and Anti-Apartheid Stance: Ireland has historically been a vocal critic of imperialism and colonialism. The Palestinian cause is often framed within this broader anti-imperialist and anti-apartheid framework, drawing comparisons with South Africa’s struggle against apartheid. Many in Ireland, particularly in left-wing circles, see Israel’s policies as a form of modern-day apartheid, drawing direct comparisons to the South African regime that the Irish were also quick to condemn and fight against.

7. Media Influence and Advocacy: The Irish media, particularly in recent decades, has provided substantial coverage of Palestinian issues. Reporters have often highlighted the suffering of the Palestinian people, the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and the challenges posed by Israeli policies. The visibility of the Palestinian cause in Irish media helps reinforce the cultural and political solidarity.

In Summary: The strong support for Palestine in Ireland is a multifaceted issue. It is rooted in historical parallels of colonial oppression, a sense of political solidarity with a people fighting for self-determination, cultural empathy with an oppressed people, and a commitment to global justice. It is not just a matter of politics, but also of shared identity and values concerning human rights, freedom, and resistance to oppression.




To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7676)12/29/2024 9:30:40 AM
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In Ireland, ‘Obsessive Hostility’ to IsraelDec 28, 2024 4:00 pm

By Hugh Fitzgerald

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Finally fed up with the anti-Israel animus expressed by Irish President Michael Higgins, Taoiseach Simon Harris, and Foreign Minister Micheal Martin, and by virtually the entire political establishment, in December Israel recalled its ambassador to Ireland and closed its Dublin embassy. The anti-Israel attitudes in Ireland did not begin with the Gaza war, but have deep roots in the past, the indifference to Jewish suffering beginning in World War II, when Ireland remained neutral in the war against Nazi Germany and continued to maintain diplomatic relations with Hitler’s Germany, and President Eamon De Valera chose to express his condolences on the death of Adolf Hitler. Ireland extended de jure recognition to Israel as late as 1963, and then established diplomatic relations only in 1975. Prior to that, Ireland had refused to establish relations due to Israel’s alleged violations of UN Resolutions.



More on this disturbing history of Irish antisemitism and anti-Israel animus can be found here: “Ireland’s anti-Israel actions will not go unanswered – opinion,” by David Ben-Basat, Jerusalem Post, December 27, 2024:

Relations between Israel and Ireland have been marked over the years by ongoing tension, harsh criticism from Dublin, and a growing sense of alienation. This has culminated in the recent decision of Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar to shutter Israel’s embassy in Ireland – a rare move that underscores a deep crisis in the diplomatic relations between the two countries.

This decision does not stand in a vacuum. It stems from Ireland’s longstanding antisemitic and anti-Israel policies, which include legislation supporting the Palestinian struggle and harsh statements against Israel by Irish politicians.

The roots of Ireland’s anti-Jewish policies can be traced back to World War II. After Hitler’s suicide, when Europe breathed a sigh of relief, Irish prime minister Éamon de Valera snuck away under cover of night to console the Nazi ambassador over Hitler’s death. De Valera also strongly objected to the death sentences imposed on Nazis during the Nuremberg Trials.

Furthermore, Palestinian terrorist organizations trained members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in refugee camps in Lebanon. Ireland’s ideology aligns closely with the national and ideological narrative of the Palestinians. Dublin views the Palestinian struggle for “liberation” as similar to Ireland’s historical fight for independence from British rule.

This solidarity with the Palestinians has become a central driver of Ireland’s policies toward Israel, leading to the adoption of one-sided stances against the Jewish state.

Ireland sees itself as a “justice warrior” and a leader in the field of human rights. It uses this position to support the Palestinians while harshly criticizing Israel. This is evident in parliamentary resolutions, speeches on the international stage, and specific legislation targeting Israel.

In 2018, the Irish parliament advanced legislation banning the import and sale of products from Israeli settlements in Judea and Samaria (West Bank). This law was seen as a precedent in Europe, aimed at pressuring Israel over what was described as the “illegal occupation.” Though the law was not implemented, due to opposition from the European Union, its advancement infuriated Jerusalem and was perceived as biased.

Ireland has also stood out as a leading supporter of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, which seeks to economically and diplomatically isolate Israel. BDS has received public support from Irish politicians, parliamentarians, and government ministers who openly endorse its objectives.

During military operations such as Operation Protective Edge and Guardian of the Walls, Ireland was one of the first European countries to accuse Israel of war crimes. Irish parliamentarians’ accusation against Israel of operating an “apartheid regime” and calls for imposing sanctions on Israel gained wide support from within the Irish government and with the public.

Silence on Hamas’s crimes

AFTER THE Hamas-perpetrated massacre on October 7, in which over 1,000 Israeli civilians were murdered and many others kidnapped, the Irish government condemned the violence and “expressed deep concern over the escalation in the region.” Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar and Foreign Minister Micheal Martin issued statements expressing sorrow over the loss of life and calling for a halt to the violence. However, their condemnation was focused on demands for a ceasefire and humanitarian concerns in Gaza, without explicitly and directly condemning Hamas’s actions or recognizing them as acts of terror.

This stance from Ireland drew criticism from Israeli officials, who expected an unequivocal condemnation of Hamas’s atrocities….

Israel’s Foreign Minister, Gideon Sa’ar, has chosen not to endure any longer the constant Irish attacks on the State of Israel. Israel’s embassy in Dublin has been closed, but on the other hand, Ireland is proud to have the embassy of the pseudo-state of “Palestine.” Now the Irish government will be able to compare what economic and cultural benefits it derives from its embrace of the “Palestinians” as compared to what benefits it might have received had it not so antagonized the state of Israel.



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7676)12/29/2024 9:32:48 AM
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Irish Stereotyping in Early Star Trek

Lillyan Ratcliffe

March 14, 2023

Star Trek is well-known for creating positive representation of diverse characters, yet early Trek seems to have an odd prejudice against the Irish, with beloved Irish engineer Miles O’Brien not seeing most of his character development until Deep Space Nine. In fact, other than O’Brien, the three most notable Irish characters in Trek—Kevin Riley, Finnegan, and Brenna Odelll—are presented as stereotypes. It’s reminiscent of Darby O’Gill and the Little People and other media that created stock Irish stereotypes, with the men characterized as jokes and women as sex symbols. It is almost reflective of anti-Irish prejudice that many Irish immigrants faced during the mass immigration to America in the 1800s. The sexual double standard of these stereotypes is very interesting and deserves examination, especially so that this same lens can be used to create better intersectional representation.



Kevin Riley first appears in the episode “The Naked Time” as one of the crewmembers who undergoes emotional upheaval due to a strange substance infecting the crew via touch. While most of the crew have to deal with emotional issues that negatively impact them—Kirk distraught he cannot have a relationship with a woman due to his dedication to Starfleet, Chapel mourning that Spock will never return her affection, Spock emotionally affected to the point of crying and barely holding himself together as he wrestles with his inability to tell his mother he loves her—Riley’s reaction veers into comedy. He gets on the intercom and declares himself Captain, then orders ice cream for everyone before singing an Irish tune. Even the background music is a stereotypical joyous ditty straight out of many films prior to and concurrent with other series that featured drunk Irish men and ‘saucy’, aggressive Irish women.

A tempting hint of character redemption is revealed in what ended up being Riley’s final appearance, in “The Conscience of the King”. When one of Kirk’s old friends, Doctor Thomas Leighton, comes to him claiming that the leader of an acting troupe, Anton Karidian, is really Kodos the Executioner, who as governor of Tarsus IV, ordered the execution of half the population of the colony due to a famine, it is revealed Leighton, Kirk, and Riley are three of nine people who could positively identify Kodos, as they were three of the few survivors. When Riley hears about Leighton’s suspicion, he grabs a phaser and prepares to kill Karidian. Kirk has to slowly and calmly coax Riley into giving him the phaser rather than shooting Karidian. Riley is clearly unsettled by Leighton’s assertion and could possibly have shot Karidian if Kirk hadn’t been able to talk him down. An exploration of how Riley was emotionally affected by the events on Tarsus IV or letting him and Kirk bond over this shared trauma could have allowed Riley to develop into a more nuanced character whose lasting impact wasn’t singing “I’ll Take You Home Again, Kathleen” and ordering “ice cream for everybody!”

Still Kevin Riley may have come out better than Finnegan and Breanna Odell as there was an attempt to give him character depth, but it was one of many plot lines that never got expanded upon.



Much like Riley’s first appearance, Sean or Shaun Finnegan (spelling of his first name in Trek beta canon is inconsistent and he has no first name in the episode) is written as an Irish stereotype; a joking prankster who bullied Kirk during their time at Starfleet Academy. He could almost fit in with town bully Pony from Darby O’Gill and the Little People, their attitudes are so similar. The same ‘whimsical’ Irish tune that played for Riley during “Naked Time” plays as Finnegan badgers Kirk, mocking and laughing uproariously at him. Even with the later reveal that this is not the real Finnegan, but a robotic approximation based on Kirk’s memories of Finnegan, it is still striking how vindictive he comes across. As the real Finnegan never appears in TOS, the audience never gets to see if he matured since Starfleet Academy and he has yet to appear in any Trek series or movies afterwards.

Riley and Finnegan suffer from different issues than Brenna Odell, the daughter of the leader of the colony on Bringloid V. In her only appearance in Trek, TNG episode “Up the Long Ladder”, Odell is practically a checklist of stereotypes about Irish women – she’s brash, loud, opinionated, a cook, red haired, and even has an Irish brogue, regardless of the fact her forebears left Earth to settle on a new planet to start an agrarian colony nearly two hundred years ago, meaning she is several generations removed from Ireland!



When the Bringloidi colonists are transported up to the Enterprise-D, they accidentally set off safety features and Odell immediately snaps at Picard when he comes to check on them. She complains about how inhospitable Picard is being by making it hard for her to cook food for her fellow Bringloidi. Picard even treats this outburst with amusement, demeaning her clearly understandable frustration with trying to provide for her friends and family yet not being able to. Picard never even apologizes for not having someone show the Bringloidi how to use replicators, something they would not have encountered in their rejection of technology. Then when Riker shows up, Odell immediately begins flirting with him, using the excuse of ‘feet washing’ to express her sexual interest in him. While seeing a woman being sexually aware and initiating the sexual encounter could be progressive in other circumstances, the stereotype of ‘lusty Irish women’ makes Odell arguably an even worse representation of Irish people than Riley or Finnegan. Nor is she the only Irish stereotype in her family, her father is shown as a lusty drunk. Riley and Finnegan are never shown being either so it makes the characterization of Danilo Odell a step backwards.



Trek has created great representations of many nuanced, diverse characters, yet the two earliest live action series used many tropes about Irish people when writing the three first characters with explicit Irish heritage—Kevin Riley, Finnegan, and Brenna Odell. The two men are not taken seriously due to Riley’s most well-known scene being comedic in an otherwise serious episode and Finnegan being a prankster jerk via Kirk’s memories; and the lone woman, Brenna Odell, being a tally of stereotypes about Irish women while also being another Riker one-shot love interest. Miles O’Brien did become a beloved character with nuance and interesting plotlines, but most of that happened in DS9, making his three predecessors look even worse by comparison. Colm Meaney himself deserves some of the credit for that, pushing back against Irish stereotyping in DS9 scripts like “If Wishes Were Horses.” The gender double standard of these portrayals in particular is worth examining to allow Trek to present better intersectional representation for women regardless of ethnicity or species.