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Politics : Slava Ukraini -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zax who wrote (3157)	2/28/2025 7:57:50 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 7301

Trump is such a piece of shit-the worst. So I keep wondering, what is going on with the MAGA bunch that they keep cheering his outrageous behavior?? Are they so intellectually blind they can't see what is right in front of their face, and corroborated by virtually every news source in the world?

To: zax who wrote (3157)	2/28/2025 10:21:13 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	2 Recommendations Recommended By ralfph Wharf Rat Respond to of 7301

.....I listened to the entire discussion ......I have to say both Trump and Vance were completely out of line......Had Zelensky been very fluent in English, he could have destroyed both Trump and Vance point for point........both Trump and Vance just talked abstractions......just sign and we get a deal and a cease fire and no more deaths........not a word about details of the "deal" or security guarantees...............Zelensky really had no chance.....now Trump could have communicated his intentions privately with all the details and Zelensky could have declined privately also...........Europe would have and still has the opportunity to step up and fill the breech.....the bottom line is the US under Biden or Trump never stated unequivocally that the US wants Ukraine to win........I doubt any ally will look at us the same way again.......both Trump and Vance have lowered themselves to Biden like levels....the only difference is that there is more certainty now.....Biden was managing a staged defeat for nearly 3 years......Trump wants a "deal" or a quick defeat.....if the Europeans do not step up, (I think they will) I'm sure everyone here knows what a Russian occupation will look like......I spoke to my sister about it....over an hour.....had to vent..................God help Ukraine.