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To: Eric who wrote (1528119)3/9/2025 10:30:47 AM
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Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle each had distinct views on democracy, ranging from skepticism to cautious endorsement. Here’s a breakdown of their thoughts, along with some relevant quotes:

Socrates (469–399 BCE) Socrates was deeply critical of Athenian democracy, though much of what we know about his views comes from Plato’s writings. He believed that democracy allowed unqualified individuals to make important decisions, leading to poor governance.

  • Criticism of Democratic Decision-Making: Socrates compared democratic elections to choosing a ship’s captain: Would you let just anyone vote on who should navigate a vessel, or would you prefer an expert?

    Quote (from Plato's "Republic"):
    “Let me put it this way: Suppose that you were going on a sea voyage. Who would you ideally want deciding who was in charge of the vessel? Just anyone, or people educated in the rules and demands of seafaring?”

  • Distrust in the Masses: He saw democracy as a system where persuasion, rather than knowledge, determined leadership, leading to demagogues manipulating the public.

    Quote (as depicted in Plato's "Apology"):
    “An unexamined life is not worth living.”
    (This implies that a citizenry that does not reflect deeply on its choices is unfit to rule itself.)

Socrates was ultimately sentenced to death by democratic vote in Athens, which further cemented his critique.

Plato (427–347 BCE) Plato, a student of Socrates, was perhaps the most critical of democracy. He saw it as a flawed system that led to the rule of the ignorant majority rather than the wise elite. In The Republic, he argued for a "philosopher-king" system, where the most intelligent and virtuous would rule.

  • Democracy as a Path to Tyranny: Plato believed democracy led to excessive freedom, which eventually degenerated into chaos and, finally, tyranny.

    Quote (from "Republic"):
    “Democracy is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.”
    (Here, he criticizes the idea that democracy treats all opinions as equally valuable, regardless of merit.)

  • Criticism of Mass Rule: He argued that democratic leaders often tell people what they want to hear rather than what is best for them.

    Quote (from "Republic"):
    “The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness… This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”
    (Plato suggests that populist leaders in a democracy often become tyrants.)

Plato saw democracy as inferior to his vision of a just, well-ordered society ruled by philosophers.

Aristotle (384–322 BCE) Aristotle, a student of Plato, had a more nuanced view of democracy. He classified democracy as a deviant form of government—less stable than a polity but preferable to tyranny or oligarchy. He advocated for a "mixed government," balancing democratic and aristocratic elements.

  • Democracy vs. Polity: Aristotle distinguished between democracy (mob rule) and polity (a balanced government where the middle class plays a key role).

    Quote (from "Politics"):
    “Democracy arose from the idea that those who are equal in any respect are equal absolutely. But there is no greater inequality than to treat unequal things as equal.”
    (He warns that democracy wrongly assumes all people have equal political wisdom.)

  • The Role of the Middle Class: Aristotle believed that an ideal government should be led by the middle class, as they are neither too rich nor too poor, and thus more moderate.

    Quote (from "Politics"):
    “The best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class.”

Aristotle saw value in democracy but believed it needed constraints to prevent instability.

Summary of Their Views:
  • Socrates: Democracy puts power in the hands of the ignorant and is easily manipulated.
  • Plato: Democracy inevitably leads to tyranny; only philosophers should rule.
  • Aristotle: Democracy has flaws but can work if balanced by aristocratic elements, with the middle class as a stabilizing force.
Each thinker shaped Western political philosophy, and their criticisms remain relevant in modern debates about democracy.



To: Eric who wrote (1528119)3/9/2025 10:41:44 AM
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Loyal Americans, who support their President and his policies are Russian Agents?

That's an interesting one.

My understanding is that normal Americans prefer to separate from intractable foreign entanglements and focus more on problems in the home country.

When the problems at home get fixed, the ones further away can simply evaporate.



To: Eric who wrote (1528119)3/9/2025 11:04:22 AM
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It is hard for me to know who are just ignorant, who are the blind followers of the Trump cult, and who are Russian assets.

One of the big surprises is just how ignorant so many people turned out to be e.g.

How is it the farmers could not see how much they would be hurt by Trump?

He campaigned on tariffs, and they knew what happened last time! But they just loved their bigoted, right wing Republican party too much to vote Democratic with all those liberals.

That is just a failure to engage in basic reasoning.

He told them what he was going to do.

Or, how is it that over 50% of Hispanic males voted for Trump? Just from a survival point of view.

Rounding up millions of illegals was the platform he ran on!

How could they not see their friends and family would be a target? That is a failure of poor thinking.

Or all the poor people in the south that depend on Medicaid and rural hospitals and schools, or food stamps, welfare, et.

Republicans always slash as many government programs as possible.

These people thought Trump would be more friendly to their needs than Harris? ---That is just raw ignorance, IMO.

And the Republicans are supporting this insanity, and the MAGA still cheering!