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To: VisionsOfSugarplums who wrote (309276)	5/5/2025 12:20:09 AM
From: onepath	4 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita kidl LoneClone ralfph Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 312313

Somehow giving a partial history of some of the issues facing building pipelines in Canada you have great,y distorted the points that i have made…. I did not say anything about SU and CNQ having to pay a toll for using this pipeline but they should. They also would have paid for a toll if Kinder Morgan had built it. I said Alberta ,SU ,CNQ are benefiting greatly by the greatly reduced previous discount of 20$ a barrel to 10$ a barrel for which they directly supply oil to the US market. This is all of their production less the very small amount shipped on Trans Mountain and came as a direct benefit of this tax payer paid for expansion. Trans Mountain prior to expansion was completed in 1953…..Trudeau jnr was not even born then so to paint him as the holdup and cause of the myriad of challenges that pipe lines have faced since then is a stretch. If you look further back then Trudeau you will see every PM since 1953 has faced challenges. Even Trudeau senior who wanted a national energy plan with pipelines and refining in Canada was kiboshed by Alberta that thought they could get top dollar by shipping every last drop to a ravenous US market . In all fairness it was just greed as they never expected the US to later put such a high discount on Alberta oil. Refineries where built on the east coast by Irving and others but they where to process cheap Saudi sweet crude not Cdn heavy. The last thing they wanted was pipelines bringing Cdn heavy crude that their refineries could not process. Your direct quote…. “I always think of Canada as a kinder, gentler western democracy so would like it to stand. But it is not working very well. And the Americans are not our enemy, they are our friends and biggest trading partner and we should be able to have a dialogue with them, even if the politicians don't like how everything was first presented to them. Then, AFTER THAT, Canada might need to be 'elbows up', depending. But people who try to have a dialogue with them now have been called traitors or anti-Canadian, and that is not only false, it's a manipulation. And we need to ask ourselves, who is trying to manipulate us and why “ Well it is Alberta pounding the separation drums, it is Trump who says we are not a viable nation. It is Trump who coverts and threatens our sovereignty and wants to make us his 51st state. So i do not need to ask myself who is trying to manipulate us and why . The answer is you are.