First blood , and a lot of the crimson stuff, Team India sent up 80, and Team Pakistan sent up 40, and score is 0 to 5, in terms of numbers, in Pakistan's favour, meaning Pakistan using its J-10Cs downed 3 French-made Rafale plus two Russia-made planes, all credits due to capabilities to first-detect / lock-on / fire-away, and to PL15 missiles reaching a substantially longer distance, am told If true, and am reasonably guessing such is so, then Team India Airforce obsoleted, which is good for Team USA wanting to load Team India with F35s for coming rounds, particularly as F35s have no other markets anymore after the appearance in December of China J-36s and J-50s, and of Trump-announced F-47s, which altogether would tend to cancel global as well as domestic markets for the F-35s Perhaps without intending to, Team India is helping Team China to do advertisements for the J-anythings Given all of above and below, am concerned about Team ROC Taiwan airforce en.wikipedia.org Particularly as Team PRC Mainland is turning its earlier stock of fighters into perfectly good combat drones popularmechanics.com VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO cnbc.com The rise in China defence stocks probably [reflects] the view that if the India-Pakistan war escalates, China will arm Pakistan and replace any losses. David Roche QUANTUM STRATEGY David is of course likely wrong, in that should his logic be valid, then Dassault shares would be moon-ing after Team India's loss of 3 of its products at one encounter and needing Dassault to make up the difference. Given the reasons for the loss, should India send up more, more shall be lost. Doubtful that India would be replacing its use-less to useless Rafales. Better to use Rafales as trainers.J-10 en.wikipedia.org Pakistan Negotiations for acquisitions for J-10A were started in 2006 when offered by China, [36] [37] but negotiations persisted into 2012 with the offer of the J-10B. [38] In September 2020, it was reported that Pakistan was interested in the J-10C. [39] In December 2021, Pakistan announced the purchase of 25 J-10CEs, with an option for 11 more; they were expected to enter service in March 2022. [40] [41] On 4 March 2022, the first batch of 6 J-10CEs for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) landed at PAF Base Minhas (Kamra) after a ferry flight from Chengdu, China. [42] They were officially inducted into the PAF's No. 15 Squadron Cobras based at PAF Base Minhas on 11 March 2022. [5] [43] [44] On 18 January 2024, Pakistan launched a series of air and artillery strikes inside Iran, targeting Baloch separatist groups, multiple JF-17C and Wing Loong II drones escorted by J-10CE launched attacks against BLA and BLF militant groups with GIDS B-REK Glidebombs. 9 terrorists were killed in the attack. [45] In a speech to parliament on 8 May 2025, Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar claimed J-10C jets had shot down five Indian fighter jets during recent border skirmishes , targeting the attacking aircraft while they were still inside Indian airspace, and that Chinese Ambassador Jiang Zaidong was kept full informed throughout the operation. [46] finance.yahoo.com Of course, AVIC Chengdu had a pop last year also when strutted the J-36, opposite Lockheed Martin's vapourwarefinance.yahoo.com LMT has yet to recover from its J-36 surprise finance.yahoo.com Rafale en.wikipedia.org Introduced in 2001, the Rafale is being produced for both the French Air Force and for carrier-based operations in the French Navy. [1] It has been marketed for export to several countries, and was selected for purchase by the Egyptian Air Force , the Indian Air Force , the Indian Navy , the Qatar Air Force , the Hellenic Air Force , the Croatian Air Force , the Indonesian Air Force , the United Arab Emirates Air Force and the Serbian Air Force . The Rafale is considered one of the most advanced and capable warplanes in the world, [4] and among the most successful internationally. [5] It has been used in combat over Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Iraq, Pakistan, and Syria. finance.yahoo.com scmp.com Pakistan claims Chinese-made J-10C fighter jets used against India’s air force? Updated: 8:45am, 8 May 2025 If involvement in downing of five Indian aircraft is confirmed, it would be the J-10C’s first known air-to-air kill recorded in live combat Pakistan has claimed it used Chinese-made J-10C fighter jets against India ’s air force in a brief military encounter on Wednesday. Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and the country’s military said five Indian aircraft had been shot down in the latest armed conflict over Kashmir and other disputed regions along the South Asian neighbours’ border. India has yet to comment on the claim. Ishaq Dar, Pakistan’s foreign minister, separately told parliament that it was J-10C jets that shot down the Indian warplanes, with the five including three Rafale fighter jets. “Our jet fighters … shot down Indian Rafales, three Rafales [that] are French,” said Dar. “Ours were J-10C. All of these are jet fighters in collaboration with China.” If confirmed, it would be the Chinese fighter jet’s first known air-to-air kill recorded in live combat. It would also mark the first loss of Rafale aircraft in combat.