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To: Julius Wong who wrote (214597)5/29/2025 9:53:37 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217559
 
enveloping story that, now highlighted everywhere, alarming folks out where I am ... I remind self, panic early, when panic can do some good, for earlier panic is a survival trait ... time is nigh to pull jettison out and then pull the cord

expecting sequence of coming events mot necessarily in order of choreographic appearance, in simplest form

- institution of capital control
- collapse of valuation
- dissolution / evaporation of worth

Or, Team Trump is in truth playing 9D-chess, and all 'ugely good-good.

Am agnostic but cannot take a chance, because am not qualified
To Pepperstone’s Brown, the reason markets haven’t reacted yet is because investors hadn’t fully grasped the significance of the clause. But they’re starting to now.
bloomberg.com

Obscure Tax Item in Trump’s Big Bill Alarms Wall Street

By Ye Xie and Liz Capo McCormick

May 30, 2025 at 3:56 AM GMT+8
Updated on
May 30, 2025 at 5:53 AM GMT+8

  • A proposed tax measure in a US tax-and-spending bill would increase tax rates for individuals and companies from countries with "discriminatory" tax policies, potentially driving away foreign investors.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI

  • The measure, known as Section 899, targets countries that impose "digital services taxes" on large technology companies and those using provisions in a multi-country deal for minimum corporate taxes.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI

  • Analysts warn that the provision could weaken the dollar, drag on long-term interest rates, and reduce demand for US assets, with some predicting it could lead to a "capital war" if implemented.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI
Buried deep in the more than 1,000-page tax-and-spending bill that President Donald Trump is muscling through Congress is an obscure tax measure that’s setting off alarms on Wall Street and beyond.

The item — introduced in legislation that passed the House last week as Section 899 and titled “Enforcement of Remedies Against Unfair Foreign Taxes” — calls for, among other things, increasing tax rates for individuals and companies from countries whose tax policies the US deems “discriminatory.” This includes raising tax rates on passive income, such as interest and dividends, earned by investors who are potentially sitting on trillions in American assets.

Cloaked in technicalities, the implication of the “revenge” measure, as it’s quickly becoming known, is clear to analysts: If signed into law, it would further drive away foreign investors at a time when their once ironclad confidence in Treasury bonds and other US assets has already been shaken by Trump’s erratic trade policies and the nation’s deteriorating fiscal accounts.

“We’re already dealing with a market where Treasuries, to foreign investors, probably aren’t the most attractive investment,” said Michael Brown, a strategist at Pepperstone Group, a brokerage firm founded in Melbourne whose clients are all outside the US. Brown said he got so many inquiries from concerned clients that he quickly put together a report breaking down the measure. “If you’re now talking about massively unfavorable tax treatment, then it’s just another reason to stay away.”

Among those potentially affected: institutional investors including sovereign wealth funds, pension funds and even government entities, as well as retail investors and businesses with US assets.

Foreign Investment in US Assets Soars


Section 899 threatens taxes on foreign holdings of $31 trillion US assets

Source: US Treasury

The proposed tax is separate from Trump’s tariff-heavy trade agenda, which is now snarled in court, but the thrust is the same, and its aims align with some of the positions set forth by the economist Stephen Miran in a paper last November and those seeking a so-called Mar-a-Lago global restructuring accord. All seek to address perceived unfair treatment of the US by the rest of the world using targeted tools designed to put the country on a more even footing. But after years of foreign investors piling into US assets, experts fear the consequences of Section 899 may be far-reaching.

The provision amounts to “weaponization of US capital markets into law” that “challenges the open nature of US capital markets by explicitly using taxation on foreign holdings of US assets as leverage to further US economic goals,” George Saravelos, head of FX research at Deutsche Bank AG, wrote in a report on Thursday. “We see this legislation as creating the scope for the US administration to transform a trade war into a capital war if it so wishes, a development that is highly relevant in the context of today’s court decision constraining President Trump on trade policy.”

Section 899 takes aim at countries including Canada, the UK, France and Australia that impose “digital services taxes” on large technology companies such as Meta Platforms Inc. The clause also targets countries using provisions in a multi-country deal for minimum corporate taxes.

The measure would boost the federal income tax rate on passive US income earned by investors and institutions based in the targeted countries, first by five percentage points, then rising by another five points each year to a maximum of 20 points above the statutory rate.

‘Troubling’ for Bonds, DollarMorgan Stanley’s strategists included the provision in frequently asked questions related to the tax-and-spending bill and concluded that Section 899 would weaken the dollar and European stocks with US exposure. Gilles Moec, the chief economist at AXA Group, said it could add to the pressure on long-term interest rates, which this month touched multi-year highs. Others see it dragging on the US currency.

“It’s indeed sounds troubling,” said Rogier Quaedvlieg, senior US economist at ABN Amro Bank NV. “By limiting new foreign demand, that would of course put pressure on the dollar.’”

The risks related to the section 899 provision are seen by some as even more pressing after the US court order on Wednesday that blocked many of Trump’s tariffs on imports. Tariffs are considered a key source of revenue to fund Trump’s tax cuts, a signature part of his “big, beautiful bill.” Without them, the question is where the administration will find the money to fund them.

On Thursday, a federal appeals court offered Trump a temporary reprieve from the ruling, and White House officials said they planned to continue defending the legality of their efforts on trade to the US Supreme Court.

Total Foreign Holdings of US Treasuries Has Fallen
Still they hold near a one-third share

Source: US Treasury

The intent of the measure appears similar in spirit to some ideas put forth in November by Miran while he was still working at hedge fund Hudson Bay Capital. Miran, now chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, raised the possibility of imposing “user fees” on foreign investors in Treasuries as one option to help push down the dollar and address global trade imbalances.

“The clause is clearly endorsed by the administration and designed to give Trump a negotiation tool for pressuring countries to drop digital services taxes and global minimum corporate income taxes, which he sees as unfairly targeting US multinational companies,” wrote Economist Will Denyer and Tan Kai Xian at Gavekal Research. “The problem is that before Trump has a chance to use the new tool, its very existence may unsettle bond markets.”
What Strategists Say
“With tariff revenue more uncertain and less likely to offset tax cuts in the GOP budget bill, traders need to be prepared for tax changes on foreign holders, ultimately reducing demand for American financial assets.” — Michael Ball, Markets Live macro strategist

For now, the market reaction to Section 899 appears muted, at best. Still, US assets as a whole have been underperformers this year as Trump’s policies put a dent in the narrative of the “America exceptionalism.”

The S&P 500 is up about 0.4% this year, compared with a 20% gain in the German benchmark and a 18% rally in Hong Kong. The Bloomberg Dollar Index slumped about 7%. The US Treasuries returned 2%, trailing the 5% gain in the global government bonds in dollar terms, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Under the SurfaceWhile some are skeptical if the Section 899 would survive on concern it would dampen foreign investment into the US, Signum Global Advisors predicts it will likely remain in the final version of the reconciliation package, in part because it has broad Republican support.

“We believe the president’s viewpoint is that there is such immense foreign appetite to invest in the US that it is not at risk of being thrown off course,” according to Charles Myers, a former Wall Street executive who runs advisory firm Signum, and Lew Lukens, a partner at the firm.

To Pepperstone’s Brown, the reason markets haven’t reacted yet is because investors hadn’t fully grasped the significance of the clause. But they’re starting to now.

“It’s only as the dust has settled that people are thinking that maybe there are some things lurking under the surface of the bill we should pay a little bit more attention to,” said Brown. “And I think this section 899, this is probably one of them.”

— With assistance from Chris Anstey, Michael Ball, Greg Ritchie, Alexandre Tanzi, and Anya Andrianova



To: Julius Wong who wrote (214597)5/29/2025 9:58:40 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 217559
 
who could have guessed ...

stuck in neutral, but breaks faulty and vehicle on downward incline whilst 90-days pause runs out

bloomberg.com

Bessent Says US-China Talks ‘Stalled,’ Pushes for Trump-Xi Call


Scott Bessent during a roundtable meeting at the US Treasury Department in Washington, DC, on May 29.

Photographer: Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

By Daniel Flatley

May 30, 2025 at 7:50 AM GMT+8


  • US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent says trade talks with China are "a bit stalled" and may require a call between President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping to reach a deal.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI

  • Bessent believes more talks will happen with Chinese officials "in the next few weeks" and plans to meet with a Japanese delegation Friday in Washington.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI

  • Despite recent court rulings on tariffs, Bessent says he hasn't observed a change in posture from other countries involved in trade negotiations, and they are continuing to negotiate in good faith.

    Summary by Bloomberg AI
US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said trade talks with China are “a bit stalled,” and that a call between President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping may be needed for the world’s two largest economies to reach a deal.

“I would say that they are a bit stalled,” Bessent said of the talks in an interview with Fox News Thursday.

Bessent, who traveled to Switzerland earlier this month for talks with Chinese officials that saw both sides retreat from tariffs over 100% on each other’s goods, said he believes more talks will happen with Chinese officials “in the next few weeks.” Still, Bessent said he sees the personal involvement of both country leaders as essential.

“I think that given the magnitude of the talks, given the complexity, that this is going to require both leaders to weigh in with each other,” Bessent said.

Bessent said in the interview that a couple of large trade deals are near. Among talks in more advanced stages, he plans to meet with a Japanese delegation Friday in Washington.

Those talks come amid a whiplash of court rulings centering on whether Trump is allowed to implement his signature “reciprocal” tariffs at all. The US Court of International Trade found earlier this week that the vast majority of the tariffs Trump has imposed since returning to the White House were illegal and ordered them reversed. An appellate court Thursday subsequently paused that ruling, allowing Trump’s tariff orders to remain in place for now as his administration appeals the adverse decision.

Bessent, a lead negotiator on trade deals for the US, said he hasn’t observed a change in posture from other countries involved in trade negotiations as a result of the rulings.

“We have not seen any of that in terms of our trading partners,” Bessent said. “They are coming to us in good faith and trying to complete the deals before the 90 day pause ends. We’ve seen no change in their attitude in the past 48 hours.”



To: Julius Wong who wrote (214597)5/29/2025 10:08:30 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217559
 
all directions bombardment
not a good situation
best to beat haste retreat
in the away direction
before the already sensitised mobs get energetic
per behind the ZeroHedge curtain

zerohedge.com

Ignore The Tariff Court Challenge: Here's The Obscure "Nuclear Option" Hidden In The Big, Beautiful Bill

BY TYLER DURDEN

FRIDAY, MAY 30, 2025 - 03:45 AM

The US Court of International Trade has ordered the Trump administration to suspend tariffs imposed under IEEPA authority. How this ruling is ultimately settled remains to be seen - according to both Goldman and the White House it will have little impact - but either way there is plenty of executive authority for a tariff agenda to be enacted via other tools.

Which is why what Deutsche Bank's policy team are most focused on is not this court ruling - which inevitably could delay trade negotiations even more – but something else: Section 899 of the "Big Beautiful Bill" that is currently making its way through the US Senate.

There remains a lot of uncertainty on the exact applicability of this new legislation, but overall our interpretation is that if it is voted through, it effectively introduces the most wide-ranging adverse changes to the tax treatment on foreign capital in the US since the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 and the Foreign Investors Tax Act of 1966.

As DB's George Saravelos explains, this legislation creates the scope for the US administration to transform a trade war into a capital war if it so wishes, a development that is highly relevant in the context of today's court decision constraining President Trump on trade policy.

Saravelos makes a few broad points below:

  1. Weaponization of US capital markets in to law. Section 899 challenges the open nature of US capital markets by explicitly using taxation on foreign holdings of US assets as leverage to further US economic goals. The parallels with the trade war over the last few months are clear. Numerous issues that are being referenced in the current trade war (eg. Digital Services Taxation) are also part of this legislation.
  2. Low bar to activate. Preliminary analysis suggests that the majority of developed market countries could fall under scope of the new retaliatory taxation. Furthermore, the bar to activate retaliatory taxation is low, triggered by the Secretary of Treasury publishing a list of foreign "discriminatory countries", though there is still uncertainty on this point.
  3. A problem for the twin deficit. The legislation provides scope to tax US-sourced foreign income at 20% under certain conditions. Especially notable is that the foreign government exception put in place under Reagan (think central bank reserve ownership of USTs) would be suspended. Put simply, the de facto yield on US Treasuries would drop by nearly 100bps. The adverse impact on demand for USTs and funding the US twin deficit at a time when this is most needed is clear.
While some may argue that carve-outs in the legislation leave the ultimate impact more constrained, DB counters that precisely by introducing further uncertainty and complexity on the returns on US capital, the legislation undermines the attractiveness of dollar inflows at a time when this is already put in to question. It is notable that the new potential legislation is already a topic of conversation among large real money investors. It is not unreasonable for the market to conclude that if the President is constrained on using trade policy, taxing foreign capital could be a new mean of leverage.

Meanwhile, the US dollar has fully reversed its gains since the tariff news overnight.

From Saravelos' perspective, the market has moved on from the specifics of the trade shock to the broader question of dollar asset allocations.

Indeed, should the new Section 899 authority be voted in to law, it will do little to ease concerns that these asset allocations are under structural reconsideration... at least until the weak dollar forces all major trading counterparts to engage in aggressive currency debasement of their own, at which point it will be a global race to the FX bottom, similar to what we saw for much of the post-Lehman decade.



To: Julius Wong who wrote (214597)5/29/2025 10:25:50 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217559
 
another opinion, in form of response to two questions
(1) how is section 899 a negative for Hong Kong based individual investors?
(2) will section 899 act to revalue US financial asset downward?