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To: i-node who wrote (341337)	7/16/2025 11:35:03 AM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 362852

"Most people would argue that plants aren't likely to be adversely affected by a greater CO2 level, if anything. That might be true. But reality isn't amenable to public opinion. That idea is a MAGA thing. Ok, here is a down to earth, real life example. Plant fertilizer, especially that high in nitrogen, is great for plant growth. But if you want things like tomatoes and not just foliage, it is very possible to give them too much. And it is certainly possible to kill plants with too much fertilizer because it has a knock on effect for other things important to plants, like pH. Don't get me wrong, gut feel has a place in science. Its importance begins and ends at formulating the hypothesis. It has no place anywhere else in the process. With a minor caveat in the conclusions. There the author(s) often posit some other hypotheses as future work. But those aren't conclusions. You want to begin and end with the gut feelings. CO2 concentrations are too low to affect temperature. Even if the concentrations are high enough, there are other things to counter it. Well, if there aren't, humans are not emitting enough CO2 to change the concentrations in our yuuuuge atmosphere. Even if humans are, the concentrations are too low... Wash., Rinse. Repeat; The only common thread is presenting your conclusion and then working back to fabricate a causal chain.

To: i-node who wrote (341337)	7/16/2025 11:36:18 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362852

"Most people would argue that plants aren't likely to be adversely affected by a greater CO2 level" Most plants are also affected by more or less water, and by temperature, which are changed by CO2. Effects of Heat Stress on Plant-Nutrient Relations National Institutes of Health (NIH) \| (.gov) pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC10649217 by S Mishra · 2023 · Cited by 62 — Heat stress decreases overall plant performance and crop quality by negatively affecting growth and several physiological processes such as photosynthesis, ... == Climatic Changes Lead to Declining Winter Chill for Fruit ... National Institutes of Health (NIH) \| (.gov) by E Luedeling · 2009 · Cited by 304 — Observed historic and future projected temperature increases in California strongly decreased the availability of winter chill under all greenhouse gas ...