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To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (26207)8/12/2025 2:00:13 PM
From: i-node1 Recommendation

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longz

  Respond to of 26728
 
That video opens with a total lie: It refers to "autopilot technology" the rest of the industry relies on "autopilot" technology, "differs" from the rest of the industry. That is a bald-faced lie in the opening comment in that video.

"Autopilot" is not the same as self-driving. Autopilot is available in many cars (the non-Tesla we just purchased has it, and we have not used at all other than "try it out" when we first bought it). Not a significant feature for me.

Self-driving is a different item. As for autopilot:

A 2024 NHTSA report highlighted a “critical safety gap” in Autopilot, linking it to 467 collisions, with 13 resulting in 14 deaths.


That sounds probable. Some deaths can reasonably be blamed on autopilot, even though it may be that those incidents also SAVED lives, or that other incidents in which no lives were lost were better outcomes than would have been attained had Auto-pilot not been in use.

The bottom line is there is no real metric other unless an actual fault is determined to exist, and there have been a couple of those, but mostly, they are collisions that were just going to happen. Autopilot cannot prevent that.

THERE ARE A TOTAL OF TWO FATALITIES INVOLVING TESLA FSD (FULL SELF DRIVING):

Tesla Deaths Total: 734 | Tesla Autopilot Deaths Count: 59, including 2 fatalities involving the use of FSD | Other Totals
Updated on 2025-08-04: Sourced Tesla and Autopilot fatalities through July 2025. Included latest SGO data.

And here is a link to the statistics.

Every Tesla Accident Resulting in Death | Tesla Deaths

The obvious question is, "Are these abnormal results for the number of miles driven"? Are they better or worse than would have been expected given the total miles driven?

Is anyone answering that?



To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (26207)8/12/2025 2:06:08 PM
From: i-node1 Recommendation

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longz

  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 26728
 
As to the article in WSJ, I have to say I don't accept politically charged reports in newspapers because they're generally liars resulting from disproportionate number of Democrats involved in the reporting process, where an inordinate number of carriers of TSD (Trump or Tesla derangement syndrome) is known to exist.

So, it means nothing to me. All news media are dead to me, other than the great liberal reporter Matt Taibbi and a couple others. All television sources are either dead to me, or highly suspect. ALL PRINT NEWSPAPERS are dead to me.

So, that comes with the territory.



To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (26207)8/12/2025 3:10:32 PM
From: kidl  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 26728
 
The numbers which seem to be missing … How many times do the drivers need to take control away from FSD under different driving conditions? Highway, rural, city.

Musk always talks about FSD. Doesn’t FSD mean: No input required from drivers?

Musk has ben mudding the waters with BS terminology for years. FSD. Auto Pilot. Be ready to take control. Watch a movie while driving or don't. Which is it?