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To: Kenneth Kirk who wrote (570)	2/25/1998 11:27:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Well, at any time the discussions of reality overtake the joy of the Lord, there is always a huge net out there to continue the pursuit of truth in that area. Not to make a thing of it, or to even really imply that it was too strange, but I made a lengthy post to Ken and decided to send it by email. Then decided to ask you if you were comfortable with such discussion here, which I assume you are. So, this morning I redid thoughts in that area and was amazed at how logically and coherently the thoughts were going down, and went to send it out. It just sat there. Wouldn't move. So, tried very hard to copy it, and sent it out to save. Then rebooted SI and tried to bring it back in. Nothing was there. Your post was there, but the response was blank, even though it was all copied to save. Strange. So, went to get the email save to send Ken later. Tried to pull it up and something strange happened there, so I gave up. Lots of time wasted. Now, that's not strange, actually. But several months ago I tried for a week to post to Shalom, at his repeated request, to please tell me something about the Waldenses--of this period, and Christians who also suffered horrible ends in a quite similar manner of the Temple Knight Benedictine brothers, the "Templars." Again, the story of the Waldenses is sick and horrible and very much exposes the extent of the evil in the high places. I wrote and re-wrote that post and recomposed it so often, that it seemed to take almost a week of net time. And it would disappear. Then SI would jam. Then in the middle of my long explanations with my enclopedia out and finding things that even history had not showed me, my screen would fuzz out and 3 times a bizarre website about the French language would pop in and when I tried to get back to SI my words were gone. If they were buried in this thing somewhere, I didn't have the brains or the time to search out and just finally wrote Shalom that I gave up, but that history of the Waldenses was probably on the web anyway. Point? Coincidentally, some subjects just seem harder to get onto the internet than others. Interesting. I'll try again, and be very careful. It's just strange, that's all. Sometimes I wonder a little about what powers the enemy actually has been given, and makes my suspicious mind work overtime.

To: Kenneth Kirk who wrote (570)	2/25/1998 11:37:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 1283

Dear Ken, no wonder you seem confused by my posts--half the time I don't even get the answer to the right person. That last one to you was really in answer to Gregor. I will continue trying to answer with something of significance. Would definitely suggest that if you could find a book which is fairly rare in libraries, The KNights of God, by a man named Burnam, I think, something like that, it is the only book that satan did not find and revise or somehow erase. It is a small factual book which is found in the religious section of the library. All other books about these poor brothers satan has managed to assign to the occult areas. They literally have been held prisoner there for several centuries now. More later, and may the Lord continue to watch over us all and may we continue to give thanks to Him for His goodness and mercy that we are not visited with fire, flood, drought, tornado, famine, plague and war, and to keep in mind those who have not been as fortunate. But I would very much like to get into this if it is possible. j

To: Kenneth Kirk who wrote (570)	2/26/1998 12:06:00 PM
From: gregor	Respond to of 1283

Dear Kenneth: There were only a few times in the NT that Christ mentioned tithing. One was the pharisee tithing his mint anise and cummin, and Christ stating that he had left out the weightier matters of the law; which were justice mercy and faith. Then adding Not that he should have left the other undone; tithing the spices. Oh, do you remember the statement in Rev 3:16 where Christ says that he will spew the church at Laodicia out of his mouth because they were lukewarm. This church was very prosperous and actually when they were destroyed by an earthquake refused the help of the Roman government to rebuild because of their self -sufficiency. The water supply came from hot volcanic springs miles from town and the other source of supply of water came from cool springs nearer to town. It came by viaduct and both sources by the time it got to town were lukewarm. So, the meaning that Christ gave was of worthy note to Laodicia, they knew exactly what he was talking about. That said , The other mention of tithes by Christ was to the publican praying in the back of the temple and the pharisee praying down on the front row; the pharisee praying that he was so thankful to God he wasn't as other sinful men, and that he prayed and fasted and paid tithes; but the publican could not so much as lift his eyes to God because he was so ashamed for the type of person he was.Christ stated that the publican was the one that came away cleansed and justified( forgiven) in God's eyes. Well, let me tie up the loose ends. I believe every mention is for a purpose; just as the message to the lukewarm church. I believe that the reason that Christ used the example of the spices in the one case and the publican in the other was for a purpose. You see the publican was accustomed to extracting the taxes from the population. And look how badly that man felt. He had profited many times illegally from innocent people. Is God to be viewed in this light , as a tax collector, is the tithe meant to be a tax.? By contrast the pharisee was probably on the temple payroll. But he felt good about himself because he gave his 10% faithfully. It wasn't how the 10% was given but his attitude in general. I have taken some flack over the title to this thread. God and finances ??? But I stand by my intent, which centers around the fact that you cannot separate your finances, all of them, from how you serve God. By the way you spend or use or invest or reap, or gather, or plant, or recreate, or educate, or eat is a statement of the type of person that you are, and it is a statemnet of your character, your mind , your heart and ultimately your view of God, and your destiny. In Christs example of the spices, I believe that Christ was saying to us that he is the spice of life. He is the sweet aroma to our soul. He is the fragrance, the perfume, our morning cologne. We do not pray or tithe or study or intercede, or teach for God's benefit; but for our own benefit. God knows that we need to pray, that we need to spend time with him, that we need to give and to be generous. The good returns to our soul first, then our hearts , then our minds, and lastly to our wallets. And a last point. God said he would raise up a holy nation, a royal priesthood ( Us). So the order has changed. When we give are not we giving to the priesthood, of which we are a part.? All ministry ultimately returns to God. He was hungry and we fed Him, He was naked and we clothed Him, He was homeless and we gave him shelter, He was in prison and we visited Him. And God gave special attention to the fatherless, the widow, the stranger,and the poor; and so by all means keep these in rememberance when you give... In Christ.gregor