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Respond to of 1578302 Is Ayn Rand Right About the Draft Being the Ultimate Violation of Individual Rights? 1. Where Rand Is Absolutely Right Rand’s core principle is simple and (philosophically) unassailable: If the state can claim your life, then every other right becomes conditional. This is a profoundly logical position from a rights-based ethics framework. If: the right to life is primary, all other rights flow from it, then any system that nullifies that primary right —the draft—undercuts the entire structure of liberty . In that sense, yes: A compulsory draft is involuntary servitude , regardless of the Supreme Court’s gymnastics on the matter. Rand is correct: A right you can be forced to die for is not a right. A state that can seize your body can seize anything else. A government claiming ownership of your life is no longer your servant but your master. Philosophically, this is airtight. 2. Her Diagnosis of “Conservative” and “Liberal” Contradictions Rand hits a very valid target: You cannot defend property rights and simultaneously defend conscription. If the state owns your life, then your bank account is merely a temporary allowance. Likewise: You cannot claim the state owes you housing, healthcare, education—but that it also owns your body. Both positions collapse under their own contradictions. She’s pointing out that the Left and Right both smuggle in forms of statism, just in different flavours. Again—she’s right. 3. Where Rand Overstates (or oversimplifies) Rand’s system assumes: Rights are absolute War should only ever be defensive Governments act rationally Citizens understand and evaluate geopolitical threats clearly This is philosophically elegant but not always historically realistic. History shows two harsh truths: Nations often face existential threats whether their citizens feel like volunteering or not Example: Britain in 1939–1941 Israel in multiple wars Ukraine in 2022 South Korea facing North Korean invasion in 1950 Humans don’t always volunteer for danger even when liberty depends on it Rand’s assumption that “free men will always volunteer to defend a free country” is noble—but empirically inconsistent. 4. The Slippery Slope Argument Rand says: “Once you accept the state can claim your life, the rest is only a matter of time.” This is philosophically true. But in practice, it depends on how the society guards—constitutionally and culturally—against government overreach. Canada in WWI and WWII drafted. The U.S. drafted in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. These countries did not turn into North Korea. So the slope exists, but it’s not an automatic slide. 5. The Practical Reality of Defense Rand wants a world where: All wars are self-defense All citizens understand the reasons All volunteers act out of principled self-interest But: In existential wars, conscription is sometimes unavoidable. Without a draft: Britain might have fallen in WWII South Korea might not exist Israel’s survival in 1973 would have been far less certain Rand would say: “Then the society wasn’t philosophically worthy of survival.” Realists answer: “That’s a moral lecture no nation can afford in wartime.” 6. But She Is Absolutely Right About Vietnam , Korea , and Government Adventurism Her most devastating—and correct—point: The draft enables unnecessary wars. Without conscription: Vietnam could never have happened Korea would’ve been severely limited Politicians would think very differently about sending soldiers abroad A volunteer army is a natural check against political adventurism. On this point, she is dead right. 7. Final Assessment: Philosophically: Rand is almost completely right. A draft is a violation of individual rights in the deepest sense. Morally: If you take rights and liberty as absolute and non-negotiable—then she is 100% right. Practically: History shows situations where conscription preserved the very conditions that allow a free society to exist. Politically: She’s right that the draft leads to government misuse of military power. Net Answer: Rand’s argument is philosophically brilliant and morally consistent—but reality introduces extremes she doesn't fully address. If your question is: “Is the draft a violation of individual rights?” YES “Is Rand’s argument internally coherent?” YES “Is her model sufficient for every real-world scenario?” Not fully “Is her warning about political abuse of the draft accurate?” ABSOLUTELY