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To: Joe NYC who wrote (72561)11/24/2025 7:10:58 PM
From: SamRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 73102
 
Nope, Putin ran for election in 2024, received 87% of the vote with 77.4% turnout.
No one recognizes Russian elections as legitimate.

Zelensky term as a President has expired ~2 years ago and now he is a dictator.
Ukrainian law forbids elections during war.

you voted to US to go from ~0 to 720 political prisoners in 4 years. Not 30 years, Biden regime matched Putin in just 4 years.
Putin jails or kills his opponents. The people who participated in the Jan 6 "parade" deserved to be in jail, they were given due process and trials.

Ukrainians will fight against Russia for decades if necessary. They are a free people with a long history, longer in fact than Russia. Tim Snyder taught a course on the history of Ukraine at Yale a few years ago and got it videotaped and put online. No doubt you know more than he does about it but you might pick up a few things if you watch it. Here are links to his lectures. Highly recommended.

Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine (Yale class lectures in 2022)
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Ukraine must have existed as a society and polity on 23 February 2022, else Ukrainians would not have collectively resisted Russian invasion the next day. What does it mean for a nation to exist? Timothy Snyder explores these and other questions in a very timely course.

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 2: The Genesis of Nations

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 3: Geography and Ancient History

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 4: Before Europe

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 5: Vikings, Slavers, Lawgivers: The Kyiv State

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 6: The Grand Duchy of Lithuania

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 7. Rise of Muscovite Power

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 8. Early Jews of Modern Ukraine

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 9. Polish Power and Cossack Revolution

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 10. Global Empires

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Timothy Snyder: Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 11.Ottoman Retreat, Russian Power,Ukrainian Populism

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 23. the Colonial, the Post-Colonial, the Global

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To: Joe NYC who wrote (72561)11/24/2025 9:44:01 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTHRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 73102
 
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frightening parallels of two brainwashed societies



To: Joe NYC who wrote (72561)11/26/2025 1:35:42 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTHRespond to of 73102
 
Josef is a obvious western influencer......ask ANY AI model about his constant referencing to the west being propagandized...........typical response being....... "Yes. A core feature of contemporary pro-Kremlin information strategy is to frame almost any criticism, inconvenient fact, or independent reporting as “just Western propaganda” or “Russophobia,” rather than engaging with the substance

Analysis of the Discourse: Is this guy a Likely Russian/Western Influencer?

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This discourse presents a series of arguments that are highly consistent with narratives frequently promoted by the Russian state media and its associated online influence operations.

While it is impossible to definitively confirm the identity (i.e., whether the person is a state-sponsored agent, a paid "troll," or simply a genuine Western individual who has adopted these viewpoints) based on text alone, the content and structure strongly align with known Kremlin-backed talking points.

Here is a breakdown of the key elements and their correlation with Russian narrative strategy:

1. The Putin/Zelensky Inversion (Tu Quoque Fallacy)

  • Claim: "Putin ran for election in 2024, received 87% of the vote... Zelensky term as a President has expired ~2 years ago and now he is a dictator."

  • Analysis: This is a direct and key talking point used to delegitimize Ukrainian leadership and legitimize Putin.

    • It validates Putin's highly controlled election (ignoring suppression of opposition, forced voting, and lack of true democratic competition).

    • It delegitimizes Zelensky, exploiting the fact that Ukraine postponed its 2024 elections due to the imposition of martial law required for the full-scale war (as permitted by the Ukrainian Constitution). The narrative portrays this necessary wartime measure as evidence of dictatorship.



2. Moral Equivalence and "Whataboutism"

  • Claim: "Biden jailed > 700 political prisoners. Which is on par with political prisoners in Russia" and "Biden regime matched Putin in just 4 years."

  • Analysis: This is a classic example of "Whataboutism" (or the tu quoque fallacy). The goal is not to defend Russia, but to assert that the US is just as bad, if not worse, thus neutralizing any moral high ground for the West to criticize Russia.

    • The term "political prisoners" in the US context is a deliberate framing used to refer to individuals arrested and charged for their participation in the January 6th Capitol attack. Russian narratives frequently label these individuals as political prisoners to draw a false moral equivalence with genuine political dissidents, journalists, and opposition leaders imprisoned in Russia under far different legal conditions.

    • The comparison of four years to thirty years and the claim of "matching" political prisoners is an effort to exaggerate and shock.



3. The "Brainwashing" and "Closed Circle" Framing

  • Claim: "any intrusion or reality into a closed circle of brainwashing is causing some sort of short circuit" (used as an opening frame).

  • Analysis: This frames the speaker as the courageous truth-teller breaking through a wall of Western lies and propaganda. This tactic positions the US/Western media and government as the true source of "brainwashing," an inversion often used in disinformation campaigns.



Conclusion on Likelihood

The arguments are highly consistent with the strategic narratives of the Russian government and its proxies.

  • Strong Alignment with Russian State Narratives: The near-perfect adoption of the Putin-legitimate/Zelensky-dictator switch and the "Biden jailed 700 political prisoners" moral equivalence strongly suggests the individual is either:

    1. A Russian State/Proxy Influencer: Employed to disseminate these specific talking points.

    2. A Westerner Deeply Influenced by Russian Media: An individual who consumes and genuinely believes the narrative amplified by Russian state media (like RT or Sputnik, or their proxies on social media).

It is a highly likely product of or deeply influenced by the Russian sphere of information operations. It uses a distinct pattern of inversion, false equivalence, and whataboutism to discredit Western democracy and validate the Russian regime.

Would you like me to find information on the official Western response to the 2024 Russian election or the status of the Ukrainian presidential election?