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To: combjelly who wrote (73062)12/22/2025 7:51:59 AM
From: Joe NYCRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 73102
 
re: Um, no. The Ukrainian allies aren't at the end of their rope.

Now, up to 4 countries that were sending money to Ukraine dropped out: US, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary. Who will be the next one? Italy and France are at the end of the rope with their budgets and debt to GDP. UK is quickly getting there. Which leaves only Germany.

Take a fraction of GDP of countries that will likely contribute to Ukraine 2026 onwards vs. GDP of countries that contributed in 2022-2024

16.9 trillion
-------------- = 32%
52/3 trillion

And I left UK in the total.

32% of money, and what percentage of weapons after the arsenal have been emptied? 20%?

re: I know Putin wants to foster that idea, much as he wants to foster the idea that victory is inevitable.

Notice how the retards thought in 2022-2023 that Ukraine + NATO + US were going to defeat Russia, and now the only possible way to avoid the inevitability of Russian victory is some Black Swan event?

re: Stories are that Russia is getting $40 a barrel or less for oil.

Russia had a trade surplus of 4.3% of their GDP. US deficit of 4.1% of GDP
Russia debt to GDP of 23%, US 125%

If one country is to collapse before the other, it looks like it will be the US.

re: Putin's hybrid war in Europe is not weakening the EU. Just the opposite, many of the countries are gearing up for a war with Russia

While cutting into their safety nets, increasing debt. That's surely the ticket to stay in power. Macron party at 13%, Starmer party fighting for 3rd to 5th pace with Greens and Lib Dems at 14-18%. It will be a miracle if France can go on with government that does not have legitimacy, dealing while extremely serious budget crises.

Funny how Macron now says that maybe they should talk to Russia after all, just day after the debt financing of Ukraine war worsened France's finances.