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To: damniseedemons who wrote (17723)	3/3/1998 10:40:00 AM
From: damniseedemons	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

McNealy has given the speech of his life. Very very good--and a speech very uncharacteristic of him. Surely, it has something to do with the formality of these hearings, but he should apply some of that to the everyday.

To: damniseedemons who wrote (17723)	3/3/1998 12:48:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

Can someone explain to me why there is the view that Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to "balkanize" Java? Is this some kind of a trick question Sal? It's not like we haven't been through it a million times before. Microsoft is "allowed" to do whatever it can get away with. And we know they'll push the limits, always. SMBP, and all that. The problem with their "Java strategy" is that it's so transparent. Java's nice enough as a language, but the ideas aren't new, believe me. Portability and independence from Microsoft are what's driving it forward, and what Microsoft's fighting. At least they're being relatively straightforward about it these days. Cheers, Dan.

To: damniseedemons who wrote (17723)	3/3/1998 1:02:00 PM
From: Jay Rommel	Respond to of 24154

The first time I heard of that word is when Sun brought it up ... of course I heard of the Balkans states before. This is the definition of Balkanize per Webster dictionary. Main Entry: balúkanúize Pronunciation: 'bol-k&-"nIz Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): -ized; -izúing Usage: often capitalized Etymology: Balkan Peninsula Date: 1919 : to break up (as a region or group) into smaller and often hostile units balúkanúiúzaútion /"bol-k&-n&-'zA-sh&n/ noun, often cap Notice how the definition says "hostile" as in MSFT is hostile??? Never ;-) Maybe I should study LINGUISTICS before I can address your question.

To: damniseedemons who wrote (17723)	3/3/1998 1:10:00 PM
From: Bearded One	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

Ok, let's take Sal's question seriously: In legal terms, Sun owns the copyright to the Java Logo, which is associated with the Java platform and language. Sun also is the controller of Java (language, maybe also platform) according to an international standards organization. I believe that, as owner of the logo, Sun can set the standards as to the use conditions of the logo. Just like Microsoft can prevent me from sticking a Windows 95 compatible logo on any computer program I write. This may extend to the word "Java" itself when used with programming languages. So Microsoft can write any language it wants. It's just not clear whether or not they can call it "Java" and it's unlikely that they can use Sun's "Java logo."