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To: hpeace who wrote (11225)	3/3/1998 2:33:00 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

So much evil in this world appears to be so irrational. My only question is: How can people not believe there is a devil and evil spirits? Boggles my small mind. Not surprising that folks do evil for temporary gain, but much evil is committed by people who have absolutely nothing to gain from the evil except ... evil. Story of the fall refernced first makes very little sense if there were not some evil force external to man which influenced Adam & Eve. OTW God would be quite unfair (in human terms). Free choice is difficult for me to understand completely, but these problems and difficulties are preferable to others which one would have denying the existence of the devil or evil spirits, eh?

To: hpeace who wrote (11225)	3/3/1998 10:27:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

The devil is real, and he alone is the enemy of Jesus Christ. Without the devil to deceive and arrange bizarre coincidences and to create psycho-babble humans who follow him to entice the fool who says there is no god in a little deeper, it would be impossible for any human being not to love Jesus Christ. He is the most loveable of all things created. There was not a thing about Him that any sane human could not love with all their heart if it weren't for the fallen angel satan who despises Him. Unfortunately, the fool who says there is no god ends up with the detestible little god of this world instead of the magnificent Lord of Glory. What a waste of a life. The Blood of Jesus protects me from his wrath. The Blood of Jesus sends all evil intents back to the originating source. That is why the devil's people despise Jesus. Jesus has all power over satan, and even the most evil person on earth will flee from the weakest Christian, if the Christian appropriates the Blood. But, to fight your enemy you must know him. If someone says they actually DO NOT believe in the devil, then I must believe them. Either that, or they are a satanist themselves. But the satanist is usually incapable of even speaking of the things of Jesus Christ, let alone discussing Him in a polite manner in any fashion. So, now I am interested in what Bob believes to see what lead him to his own particular belief. . But to not believe in the devil means that one does not believe in Jesus--obviously it does go hand in hand. Surely you have noticed that of all of the "religions" of the world, and all of the paths to "god" that "are all the same and all lead to the same place", that all are embraced and adored by the humanists, aethiests and the odd assortment associated with that, only Jesus is spit upon at the Church of Satan in San Francisco. His image is put in mosaics in these places, and part of the ritual is spitting on his image. Of ALL of the people on earth who believe in Jesus, the satanists believe in Him as much as we do. It is just a horrible envy and hatred for Him. But the little fat Asian, the blue skinned elephant faced Krishna, any form of fabricated, illogical madness, they love and respect. This is never spoken badly of by satanists, because they are all totally aware these bizarre human creations of the mind are all of satan's plan to begin with. The only thing that does not fit well into his realm is Jesus Christ. It is so obvious a small child should be able to figure it out immediately. And even with all that the created being cannot see it. That is how stupid they are. To me nothing on earth can compare to a satanist. They have lost it all for absolutely nothing but a life of pain one way or another. They among all humans are to be pitied, but God does not. He just lets the angels who have more sense, I guess, pick them up and toss them over the edge into the abyss. That's what the Bible tells me, and it makes perfect sense. So much for my views of satan. I really hate to give place to the detestible entity by dignifying him with a mention. I'm sorry I go on and on on this subject, but you should see how I really feel about it. :)

To: hpeace who wrote (11225)	3/31/1998 2:05:00 PM
From: hpeace	Respond to of 39621

Jane, of course it would be hard to beleive in the Messiah and not Satan. Since , if you believe Jesus was the Messiah you would have to accept the fact that Satan and demons are mentioned a handful of times in the Old Testament..... then Kabbbbbbbaaaaaaaammmmm...................Jesus is on the scene and demons, evil spirits, Satan is mention 200 times in the New Testament. In fact, it looks like Jesus mentions the evil and Satan so frequently that to beleive in HIM says you have to accept the Evil part of darkness as real or you are beleiving in someone who is crazy and accepting a crazy person's opinion as your Messiah.