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To: J. P. who wrote (17794)	3/4/1998 4:29:00 PM
From: Justin Banks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

J.P. - I don't suppose you looked at the date on the article? Another point I would like to make is that the spec for Java is open. Given enough time (and enough interest), I could write my own JVM implementation, and have it certified. I could not, however, write my own implementation of the Win32 API, and neither could anyone else outside of MSFT. That's the difference. -justinb

To: J. P. who wrote (17794)	3/4/1998 5:29:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 24154

You're a weinie, J.P. Like Justin said, it's an ancient story. It's not like I spend a lot of time glorifying Sun; I can dig up articles where I credit them with inventing the "embrace and demolish" strategy that Ballmer bragged about. On the Java standard thing, I'm sure you're totally clueless. There were a lot of posts here as the politics went on. My view was that whatever Sun's faults might be, it was better to let them have their way than let it fall into a forum where Microsoft's newfound standards political skills could mess it up. Chaz Hughes, not normally a Microsoft friend, held the opposite view, but as the Microsoft sabotage attempts became clear he came around to the other view. Sal Habash of course flogged the article you cited for a while; my ultimate reply to him was that, if the very worst that was said about Sun was true, it was still better than Microsoft's dirty tricks carrying the day. From a competitive viewpoint, two bloated middleware OS's are better than one. Cheerfully awaiting your usual ad hominem reply, Dan.