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To: Bill Harmond who wrote (7964)3/7/1998 1:32:00 PM
From: TheBigB  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27307
 
Other stats also show that the number of browsers per installation is growing to two per person quickly. Basically a lot of users have
both browsers.

The biggest fallacy in the report at www.ms.com is the
assumption that the top sites will get huge percentages of
ad spending.
The reality is that it makes it a lot easier to target
your audience by advertising in special interest
news groups. For instance at most of the finance related
sites, I always see loads of advertising and yet quote.yahoo.com
has only a small percentage (about 40 to 30%) of it's page views showing real adverts.

So quote.yahoo.com is competing seriously with
www.thestreet.com, www.siliconinvestor.com, investor.msn.com
www.bloomberg.com, wsj.com (in the future) with quote.cnet.com
(when that comes online), quicken.com, bigcharts.com
etc, etc
So - you can probably say that this is likely to
happen on each special interest.
Again : this is a lot more like direct mail where you
can target your audience depending on the content of
the site.
Then in order for YHOO to remain as the top site in
ad revenue, it will hav to be the top in all these
categories in order to command that 50% of Ad revenue that they
are getting.
Of course, even in that situation it will compete
headon with AOL & MSFT & NSCP to be the top destination
on the web.

I think that the odds are stacked against YHOO EVER having
$ Billion in revenue from ads alone.
hence it's forays into commerce.
My bet is that in the future YHOO may have to
transform itself into a commerce company.

In any case, it's difficut to argue that YHOO is
undervalued now. With the risks of slipping in so many
ways not being discounted into the stock price at all.

Sigh - But what do I know.



To: Bill Harmond who wrote (7964)3/7/1998 2:46:00 PM
From: TheBigB  Respond to of 27307
 
William : this rate of growth of the net is misleading.
If you start off on the first day that any product is released, the rate of growth is phenomenal in the first few days.
For eg : The rate of growth of win95 adoption was HUGE
in 1996 and then also in 1997. However, the rate of
growth is probably lower now just because a lot of the
people who can adopt have done so and the new customers
are those who buy new computers.
This is why Win98 is awaited. This is why MSFT has needs
an upgrade market that is lucrative.

Now let's consider AOL. The rate of growth of AOL
subscribers is slowing down - correct ?
But that does not put a brake on their revenues since
they have a fixed cash flow from subscriptions and
they even increased that monthly charge !

Now consider YHOO - if you are depending on the
number of users on the net growing at the same rate
to bring in more revenue, you may be disappointed to
see a falloff in the rate of new users joining.
Yes - eventually 100% of America will be on the net
but my bet is that close to 50% of them will use
WebTV or (a future version of it).
Hence announcing that the battle for the Internet has
been won (and by YHOO) when it is only just begining
and when it may take 5 years to play it all out is quite
premature.

However : again my caveat : I have no clue how this stock
will behave even though it ought to go down.

Also StaggerLee : I question your statement that there
is no revolution going on. People in the know who track
the web will vouch that there is tremendous interest
in the web. This is why companies like MSFT are
investing such huge amounts in the web. And are
willing to try again when the first shot fails.

The argument is whether YHOO has already won this
revolution so decisively that there is no hurdle to
say 80% growth rate in the next 3 years. My bet is
that this is incorrect. It has competitors galore.
From MSFT, AOL, CD to AMZN, EGRP to every barnes and noble
to TIME, NBC, CNN etc etc etc.

Further, the rate of growth is plateauing. It is inevitable
for all americans to be on the web one day but that
will take more time. Currently about 1 in 3 american
households have a PC in them (many have more than one,
I have 4 PCs at home). Now, it appears that most of
these people jumped on to the web in 2 short years.
However, the remaining 70% is moving a lot more slowly.
They are quite disillusioned when they use the web and
they remain much more conservative in their browsing.
Usually signing on via AOL or MSN and then limiting
their browsing to links from there for the most part.
It is this market that MSFT is going after with WebTV.
these WebTV people may or may not be future YHOO visitors.

However, in any case, the fact remains that these people
first need to buy a PC before they get on. However, INTC
and CPQ are telling us quite clearly that these people
are not rushing to stores to buy PCs today.
So - perhaps webtv will get them.
I'd say, if you're long on YHOO - sell and buy MSFT.
(Caveat : I'm short YHOO and hurting and long MSFT
and hurting :-)