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To: don roberson who wrote (2525)3/7/1998 5:20:00 PM
From: TheAlaskan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6464
 
Time-The big boys are starting to show their toys

Popular Science, MAR 98,pg 72 "Hybrids Get Real", Car & Driver, MAR 98, Toyota Prius Minitest, Motor Trend, APR 98, Trends pg 20, Intrepid ESX2 pg 52:


Toyota Prius (on sale in Japan now) 68mpg. gas/electric reduces emmissions by 90%. climbs hills very slowly. Loses fuel efficiency with air conditioner on. Gas engine kicks in at above 12 mph. Poor braking in the rain and braking is difficult at all times, but Toyota says this will be improved. Car & Driver test resulted in 61 mpg at constant 62 mph cruising speed. mpg dropped to 21 mpg at 93 mph on hilly roads. Price 17,000 US, Toyota plans to make 1000 per month (some will be sold here and Toyota started advertising the Prius this month) and they admit that they will lose $$$ on each one sold. 91 cu in gas engine (1496 cc). Battery is nickel-metal hybide. 0-60 mph takes 14 seconds.Toyota plans on selling the model with continuous variable automatic transmission.

Chrysler Intrepid ESX2 (looks like a kidney bean and is probably not sellable as a result). Expected BUT NOT PROVEN to yield 70 mpg...even though Chrysler has a working model they have only run computer simulations (my question is why not real tests?.... unless it isn't ready). Current test model has a drag coefficient of 0.19 which most sedans have a .29- hence the funny kidney bean appearance. the engine is a direct diesel hybrid 1.5-liter, three cylinder diesel (74 horsepower), plus a 20 horse Delphi electrical . the car also employs an impractical moveable chin spoiler to achieve its aerodynamics. The electrical motor is fueled with a 133 lb nickel-metal hybride battery motor. Chrysler is working on costs and expects to sell the new Intrepid for $35,000 US, the current production costs are substantially higher. Chrysler is looking at plastic, few piece bodies to lower costs. The car weighs 2250 instead of the usual 3450 of the 98 Intrepid. Chrysler uses a 5-speed transmission because an automatic would lose 7% more energy loss. 0-60 mph is computer estimated at 12 seconds.

Ford P2000, Honda J-VX continued.

The Alaskan



To: don roberson who wrote (2525)3/7/1998 6:47:00 PM
From: TheAlaskan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6464
 
More Toys Continued.....

Ford P2000
Ford contour "look a like". Ford claims 63 mpg. Car weight is 40 % less than the Taurus. Ford claims trimdown comes at no expense to safety, strength, stiffness or durability. Body is aluminum and car has many expensive space age materials. Engine is a direct injection diesel/parallel hybrid with Nickel- Metal Hybride batteries. Ford plans on testing in mid 1998 BUT.... Ford admits it cannot meet emission standards unless a new kind of fuel is developed (see previous agreements Ford has made in this area). Ford has released substantially less info than Toyota and Chrysler.

Honda J-VX

Gas/electric Hybrid that uses a Ultracapacitor battery that they claim will give it 0-60mph acceleration in 9 seconds (over the rest of the competitors 12 seconds. Not much else mentioned on the Honda.

GM-EV1

Weight 1900 lbs plus 1,100 lb batery! Nickel hybrid batteries will be revealed this fall and will reduce this weight and offer a 160 mile range on the new battery. GM is also toying with a 1.0 liter CNG fueled reciprocating engine. GM Chairman john Smith said that by 2001, the company would have a production ready hybrid electric powered powered by either a clean burning 80 mpg diesel or a 60 mpg turbine engine. By 2004 a fuel cell powere, 80 mpg EV1 should be ready.

Mitsubishi

Plans on using all direct injection gas engines in two years. major block for gas direct injection is that US has high sulfer in gas(...hence the recent agreements between car manufacturers and oil companies to reformulate fuels)

Speculations......

BAAT technology is ahead of what has been revealed. Toyota has an advantage in that their vehicle hybrid is being deployed. Look for mas marketing (but extremely low sales) as Toyota puts on the WE ARE GREEN tag to sell their autos to American Yuppies. Remember BAAT is a pure engine.... no hybrid to assist fuel efficiency. Nobody has topped their mileage for a real engine in a real car.

Baat will not have the upper hand for long. The recent press releases and photo spreads is not an accident. The major automakers are behind and they know it. They also have serious war chests and resources to catch up or even buy BAAT tech (if they deem it necessary and cannot copy it outright). BAAT has no patents.....which makes the technology virtually unmarketable until they get some protection. BAAT needs to release more on the patent picture... Who the firm is that represents them and the timeline for patent prosecution. ( A company can speed or slow down the process if it wants to).

I expect the dyno tests to reveal that the BAAT Yanmar engine can in fact get over 100mpg. IFF FFFORD backs out of its supplying of two engines, then BAAT should have a dyno test done on the Yanmar at UC Riverside! I kind of liken the BAAT situation to inventing the airplane. The Wright bros. did not make much money, but received a lot of fame. The technology was too new and the market wasn't ready for it. By the time the market developed the brothers were a minor player in the airplane industry even though their names were houselold words.

Baat management should learn from this history lesson and start building technology applications and then showing it off publicly:
(The best defense is a damn good..in your face... offense)

A genset using BAAT tech

A tractor truck (Mack or whoever) with BAAT tech compared to a similar outfitted truck with a standard diesel run side by side in a track or highway test.

A hybrid diesel electric car that could conceivabely get 135mpg plus that blows the Ford P2000, Toyota Prius and the Chrysler Intrepid ESX2 away. The GM EV-1 is so far behind that they are not even a contestent.

BAAT needs $$$$ from a big boy to do the above magic on their truck or genset.

BAAT needs to do a full court press with the above actions for the media and the American public to win the minds and the pocketbooks of our fellow citizens ( and politicians who are looking to slam the big three whenever they can) that they are not some off the wall company with good, but undeployable ideas.

I understand the current Eastern European marketing strategy, but the two strategies do not have to be mutually exclusive...and the Eastern Europeans do not have the same amount of cash or pocketbooks. Time is only on your side if you know how to use it. BAAt needs to strike now before the Automakers invest the war chest to come up with their own versions in what looks like a technology/PR battle. Microsoft made its money by staying one step ahead of its competitors. The market is littered with those that did not...Wang computer, Osborne computer, etc.

I must admit that high mileage and hybrids NEVER got much attention in the Car mags until BAAT came onto the seen. Then again, Toyota also just started to advertise their Prius hybrid.It is also very intersting to note that BAAT was not mentioned in any of the magazines ( I know Don McCosh at Popular Science knows about BAAT...I personlly left him messages on the BAAT engine.)His summary line in the April 98 Popular Science is the big three party line....."The ultralight, ultraefficient concept cars gleamed on the stand, but are still at least several years away from the showrooms." Will BAAT change this paradigm??? BAAT is ahead of the best and brightest of Tokyo, Detroit and Europe, but they aren't getting us rich.....yet. Time as well as STRATEGY will tell if they have seized the moment or have pissed the opportunity away.....

For now I am riding the BAATmobile and I am wiling to give management the benefit of the doubt and therefore the time to develop their opportunity and STRATEGY to succeed. They may not be proceeding exactly the way I would, but then I don't run the company, I only invest in it. As long as they are moving and progressing then they are not a stationary target. BAAT is good LONG hold until news develops to the contrary. The upside potential is very lucrative and the downside is that they will go back to being a little R&D company living off of government contracts and developing automotive ideas that are ahead of their time. At present the odds are substantially greater on the upside than on the downside....I'm still waiting for financials to see their cash flow situation, but indications are that it will be positive.

The Alaskan