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To: Yousef who wrote (4824)	3/8/1998 12:46:00 PM
From: Maxwell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6843

Yousef: <<The AMD K6 and Intel P5MMX benchmark very closely together (within a couple percent at the SAME frequency), thus speed differences due to frequency are related to process differences NOT architecture. If you want to continue to make your argument, please show the benchmarks between the Alpha, K6 and Intel CPU's at the SAME frequency ... or even at different frequencies. I guess this is why DEC is selling their Fab.>> Your challenge is trivial. Look at the following site intelligentfirm.com It shows the Pentium-200, K6-200, and 686MX-P200. The Cyrix chip is actually runs at 166MHz and the K6 and Pentium runs at 200MHz. The Cyrix chip OUTPERFORMS the Pentium and K6 in most benchmark. Had you gauge the Cyrix chip against the Pentium-166 and K6-166 it would outperform those two by a wide margin. The conclusion is that the Cyrix has a BETTER ARCHITECTURE! But the price you pay for those long deep logic branch is that it can't be pushed beyond 200MHz at 0.35um process. The speed of the Cyrix chip is front end limited. The same goes for the K5-PR166. Its internal chip runs only at 118MHz and is equivalent to the Pentium 166 in terms of performance. The price for the complicated prediction branch is speed. I don't take the PII-233 benchmark into consideration is because of its closely coupled cache. <<The real world facts of AMD's process limitations and quarterly losses back up my analysis ... What part of "There will be significantly more losses and less revenue for this quarter" don't you understand, Maxwell. I can arrange for a tutor. <ggg>>> I don't disagree with you that AMD will have quarterly losses. The reason they lose money is due to their poor marketing strategy (25% discount) and inability to yield well in their 0.35um process. The K6 however is very popular among the computer wiz. They like the performance/price. The reason I like AMD again is that they seem to nailed down their 0.25um process already. With such a small die and good yield they will be more than easily compete with Intel and Intel's price drop. What you said that is pure garbage is that the K7 will run at 333MHz at 0.25um process. Where did you get your data? What do you know about the K7? Transistor process technology tells nothing of CPU performance. Maxwell

To: Yousef who wrote (4824)	3/8/1998 1:46:00 PM
From: StockMan	Respond to of 6843

Yousef, Re -- What part of "There will be significantly more losses and less revenue for this quarter" don't you understand, I dont understand this "significant" thing. Does it mean 50,100,200 mil ... Now "somewhat significant" losses would make more sense to me. It would at least be consistent with AMD's terminology. Stockman

To: Yousef who wrote (4824)	3/9/1998 7:00:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6843

Yousef PhD: <We have been through this before ... but, let's try one more time. The AMD K6 and Intel P5MMX benchmark very closely together (within a couple percent at the SAME frequency), thus speed differences due to frequency are related to process differences NOT architecture.> From Anand's web page (Ziff-Davis Winstone97 benchmark): anandtech.com MHz K6 P55C -------------------------- 166 52.1 n/a 200 54.5 52.0 233 57.0 54.4 -------------------------- (For those who do not remember, the Winstone is a collection of Word, Excel, CorelDRAW, etc., or applications that people run everyday on millions of computers). In other words, in delivered performance, P5-200 = K6-166, P5-233 = K6-200, or Pentiums are ONE SPEED GRADE BEHIND AMD K6. Now the question for Yousef, Ph.D: Is the whole speed grade "very close together", or is it more like a generation in architecture improvement?