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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (3956)	3/9/1998 10:28:00 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 42834

dipy, don't forget that hawk bush vp that didn't serve ;-)

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (3956)	3/9/1998 10:46:00 PM
From: wooden ships	Respond to of 42834

In re: "As for Clinton and Vietnam, I acknowledge that conscientious objection to warfare has to be respected..." If Bill Clinton had registered his opposition to the Vietnam War as a bona fide Conscientious Objector, as your post implies, he might command some modicum of respect. However, he did not. As I have it, Bill Clinton received his draft notice in May '69. Clinton requested Senator Fulbright and others to help him get into the ROTC unit at the University of Arkansas. That ROTC unit was already filled to capacity, and there was a waiting list. With the assistance of Sen. Fulbright and the intervention of Col. Holmes at the Univ. of Arkansas ROTC unit, Clinton was able to get his 1-A draft notice suspended pending enrollment into ROTC. Of course, he never did enroll in the ROTC, as he had promised. In his 1969 letter to Colonel Holmes explaining his actions, Clinton wrote, "ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance...The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my belefs(sic) for one reason: to maintain my political via- bility within the system." (italics mine) In the same letter, Clinton expressed his sentiments toward the military: "I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loath- ing the military..." Bill Clinton succeeded in dodging not just the draft but his promised ROTC duties, as well. Unfortunately, he did maintain his political viability, his primary motivation through it all, and now assumes the mantle as Commander-in-Chief of the military he loathes. You give Bill Clinton too much credit. How can someone without a conscience ever be reckoned as a conscientious objector?

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (3956)	3/11/1998 9:13:00 AM
From: mister topes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42834

But lets be honest about Limbaugh. He is the biggest single hypocritical individual of all time. He has spent ten years criticizing Clinton for avoiding Vietnam when he knows he did exactly the same thing. He avoided the draft just as clearly as Clinton avoided the draft. They were both right since Vietnam was a travesty but for Limbaugh to criticize Clinton when he did the same is unforgiveable hyppocrisy. Don't misunderstand me. I regard Clinton as a sex crazed Arkansas bubba trailer trash bum, but Limbaugh too was raised just north of Arkansas in Cape Giraudeau Missouri so he and Clinton come from much the same stock.