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To: cAPSLOCK who wrote (2899)3/10/1998 4:10:00 PM
From: bob  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4736
 
James,

Here is the mail I just got from some jerk on AOL. A cc may have been
sent to Hunter.

rom:
Namx123 <Namx123@aol.com>
To:
robert.h.johnson.01@snet.net

Here it comes again.

Subject:
Returned mail: User unknown
Date:
Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:34:33 -0500 (EST)
From:
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To:
<Namx123@aol.com>

The original message was received at Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:34:32 -0500 (EST)
from imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]

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In a message dated 98-03-09 23:34:23 EST, Namx123 writes:

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From: Namx123 <Namx123@aol.com>
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To: robert.h.johnson@snet.net
Cc: hvann@glasgow_ky.com
Subject: Exposed
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:34:23 EST
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For you you scumbag, thieves.

Subject: Study This
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 1998 23:08 EST
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Namx123">Namx123</A>
Message-id: <19980310040800.XAA25375@ladder02.news.aol.com>

Capital Moe, Aasche, United Pete and the rest exposed:

Study this all of you honest people and get the picture and get it straight,
the stock bashers work for the bad guys, Ok you scum bags read it and weep.
Class Action my Big R___ A____. We should all gang up on the bashers, we
should hire the lawyer, file the shareholder suit against the bashers and
demand their names and addresses from AOL and where ever else they post.
Let's us unite they are stealing our money. Who will be the spark plug for
this mission ? Let's rally now. Study what I have posted below, study it.

Downloaded from the Silicon Investor on 3-09-98

To: bruce bell (15 )
From: Bob Sturgeon Friday, Aug 22 1997 10:57PM EST
Reply # of 30

This article was printed by Copley Pacific on short selling
entitled..."Understanding
Undeclared Short Selling and How it may be impacting Your Company".

Does it sometimes seem that no matter what you do your stock has trouble
climbing in price? If this the case, your company's stock may be facing
downward pressure as a result of undeclared short selling.

Short selling can be divided into two categories, declared and undeclared.
Many dynamic growth companies have been damaged by undeclared short selling.
Created by market professionals, the practice consists of creating stock that
doesn't exist. It isn't borrowed but created and it creates enormous negative
pressure on a stock price.

The Mechanics of undeclared short selling are as follows:

Nonexistent stock is sold short. This nonexistand stock increases a company's
float. The nonexistent stock makes it difficult for investors to profit from
their risk capital speculations. The short sellers make the profit. The
practice hurts the public companies, themselves. It adds massive costs to
maintaining a market in a stock and it reduces a company's business options.

The basis of declared short selling is borrowed stock. A short seller provides
50% or more of the value of the stock to his or her broker. This is done in a
margin account. The margin protects the broker against any increase in the
share price. The broker borrows the stock from a depository trust company. he
then sells the stock and adds the money to his client's margin account. Later,
the client buys stock (covers) to replace this borrowed stock.
The difference between the price the client sold the borrowed stock and the
price the client paid to replace the borrowed stock (covered) is the profit or
loss from the transaction.

Most declared short players are institutional money managers and fringe group
market profesionals, not small capital public investors who seldom
participate. Declared short positions risk being squeezed. If the company can
double its share price, the short seller will be forced to increase his margin
collateral in order to maintain the short position. At such time, the short
seller
may elect to buy (cover) the stock instead of adding to his margin. This adds
to the upward movement of the share price.

Undeclared short sellers don't borrow stock. They don't margin the sale of
their short positions. Because they are market insiders they can use various
techniques to sell stock that doesn't exist.

Is there money to be made by undeclared short sellers? Estimates are that
undeclared short sellers make multi-millions of dollars annually.

Complaints to regulatory agencies haven't stopped the practice of undeclared
short selling. However, one way companies can protect themselves is to
recommend to shareholders that they take physical delivery of their stock
certificates. When physical delivery of stock certificates is demanded by a
significant number of shareholders, the
creators of nonexistent stock can be squeezed. The short sellers won't have
stock certificates to deliver and thus they will cause losses for them and wil
cause them to move their undeclared short activities elsewhere.

End of article.

To: don roberson (2301 )
From: Ravi Ratnam Thursday, Feb 26 1998 10:17PM EST
Reply # of 2589

Found an interesting post in Yahoo's PKGP thread. Apparently the going rate
paid by MM's to bash stocks they short on message boards is anywhere from $
2000 to $4000 a month.

I wonder how much DAN get's paid?

messages.yahoo.com.

Subj: MM's and shorted stocks:
By: mikegyver12
Date: Feb 26 1998 5:54 P.M PST
Reply To: Msg. 1 by YahooFinance

MM's and shorted stocks:

Market makers (MMs) are dealers who are directly responsible for stock
transaction. For example, I sell HNLY, MMs buy, and when you buy HNLY, MMs
sells. MMs make the most money from the manipulation of OTC BB stocks, not the
spread which has been limited by SEC. Only purpose of MMs is to make money,
otherwise they don't want to market this type of stock if they can't make
enough money. Basically, MMs want to buy at low and sell at high like
us!

One of MM tricks is to manipulate shareholders. For example, when they looked
XYZ chart, they saw XYZ has never run up more than $0.50 this morning. They
believe that they the stock price will be down soon, then they short the stock
by selling the stock they don't have, because they have three days to
settle(send the stock certificates to transfer agent before Monday for today's
selling). However, they found the stock are so tight this afternoon,
they can't borrow any more. Then they send one guy (they are hired by market
makers, $2,000-4,000/month) or more to here to bash the stock hoping they can
hammer down the price. I believe somebody will show up here very soon to bash
the company and the stock!

If this is not working, more people are buying. They have to cover their
positions by buying more stocks back, then the price goes higher.