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To: Father Terrence who wrote (18077)	3/11/1998 4:36:00 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Pops, "Unfortunately, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any of these "other realities" exist. What there is evidence of (in abundance) is that the believers and followers of this claptrap become parasites, feeding off of the men and women who truly create and move the rest of the human race forward." Too bad Einstein was a believer--he coulda been somebody. Rick

To: Father Terrence who wrote (18077)	3/11/1998 5:09:00 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"What there is evidence of (in abundance) is that the believers and followers of this claptrap become parasites, feeding off of the men and women who truly create and move the rest of the human race forward." But Terrance, there is also "evidence" in abundance that non-believers also may become "parasites." There can be no scientific evidence of these "other realities" because of the way that science defines "evidence". Neither can there be "scientific evidence" of "progress" (I assume that that is what you mean when you say "move the rest of the human race forward"). On what basis does one call something "progress"? Is it progress to have more and more people living cluttered together in huge densely populated cities? Is it progress when we create conditions in which there are so many people in the world that we increasingly crowd out many other species of life, plant and animal alike, eliminating or polluting their environment? We are apparently, at least, aiming toward that end. Numerous other possible questions, but no time to post or think of them right now. You probably get my point--there is an abyss between "reason" and "revelation" that arguments (even seemingly "reasonable" ones) can't cross, and even so-called reason has its finally "unreasonable" or unjustifiable faith.

To: Father Terrence who wrote (18077)	3/12/1998 8:12:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh Terrence, you really stepped in it there with What there is evidence of (in abundance) is that the believers and followers of this claptrap become parasites, feeding off of the men and women who truly create and move the rest of the human race forward. Rather, it's the opposite. Christians founded this country; founded all the most world-famous Universities in the US. These include (as I spelled out in a prior post, which you evidently missed): Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Rutgers, College of William and Mary, etc. Furthermore the founders of this country, the USA, put at the end of the Declaration of Independence, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance* on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." Inviolable rights? You don't have any rights, except those given as the Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator* with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. So, whether you like it or not Terrence, in the United States your rights come from their Creator, which seems to imply a supreme being, NOT a prehistoric cell which "evolved" into man in current form. If you don't like that, then perhaps the Soviet Union has some better rights for you. Oh, and quit feeding off our Christian nation and our Christian-founded Universities. Reminds me of a parasite.