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To: Father Terrence who wrote (18078)	3/11/1998 5:05:00 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

At some point "science" declared the atom as being the smallest unit of matter. At that time, to those scientists' minds, it was true--and they certainly could "demonstrate" this. Later emerged the scientific "certainty" of the smallest subatomic particles . . .and in due time, even smaller particles will be "discovered"--hailed by science as THE smallest units of matter . . . ad infinitum . What scientific "truth" about the nature of the cosmos which was held 50 years ago could stand the scrutiny of our current scientific "knowledge"? The history of science is replete with these kinds of examples, and I invite you to name a single scientific "truth" which has not been revised over time. Yet in fact shouldn't such "truths", by definition, be timeless? So Pops, what does science really know? Is your "science" eternally definitive or defined only temporally by the quality and sophistication of the technology employed? It seems to me your confidence in science as being man's savior is a very slippery slope. (Kinda like faith huh?) Rick

To: Father Terrence who wrote (18078)	3/12/1998 8:46:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Even christian scholars I have talked with admit this (and many other points) when pressed to the wall. They fall back on the "you must accept it on faith" argument -- which is no argument at all. Which is my point. Knowledge is not built by faith, but on experimentation, trial and error, and testing, always testing with a skeptical (yet open) eye. FYI Terrance, you are correct that man's knowledge does not reveal God, nor does man's knowledge give him the key to the Kingdom of Heaven: Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Arguments, wisdom, worldly knowledge....that's not what God is all about. It is by faith only, and that faith is given by God. Good luck, DK