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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Grainne who wrote (18096)3/12/1998 4:49:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen  Respond to of 108807
 
Christine, I just read your post listing the various people who want to believe that homosexuality is not wrong. For now, let me say for starters about this: >Too many realize that their sexual orientation is unchangeable, and that they cannot go through life as someone that they have been taught to hate [huh? Christians haven't been taught to hate anyone]; they commit suicide. (About 30% of teen suicides are due to this cause; one of the costs of
homophobia). Survivors experience a conflict between what they are and what they believe. They sometimes abandon their religion. Some become enthusiastically anti-religious.
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Is simply another way of saying "I can't help myself, so I'm just going to do whatever my flesh wants. I like sex orgies, so I'm going to indulge in sex orgies, and Christians will have to accept me for who I am. That means nobody can tell me sex orgies are wrong. If they continue to tell me that sex orgies are wrong, then I'm just going to commit suicide."

Another thing, Christine: Why is it that Christians get all the blame for society not being comfortable with homosexuality? Do non-Christians all have a built-in comfort and acceptance for homosexuality? Seems to me that Christians are taking an awful lot of the blame for incidents of hate crimes based on homophobia. A little hypocrisy here? Perhaps society has a little bit of a guilty conscience here, and wants to blame its sins on Christians?

Re Jesus concentrated on a person's interactions with God and his fellow humans. He did tell the woman who committed adultery to go and sin no more. But that was the only time he is known to have commented on sexual morality.

Oops. They didn't read the bible much. Just a couple minutes of random browsing, and I see this in the gospel of Mark chapter 7, verse 20 (Jesus speaking):

7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

in re >Ruth 1:16 and 2:10-11 describe a deeply intimate relationship between Ruth and Naomi which may or may not have had a sexual component.

Uh...hmm. Seems like a lot of speculation there. Wild speculation at that.

But yet the Bible clearly indicates that literally the whole city of Sodom was gay: [Genesis 19:5] But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And earlier, in Genesis ch. 13, verse 13: But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.

And in Genesis 18:23, Abraham bargained with God about Sodom: Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
18:26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Abraham kept bargaining, until finally:
18:32 ....I will not destroy it for ten's (rightous) sake.

But Sodom wasn't destroyed because of the men being all gay, no, nothing to do with that. Hey I'm not arguing that there were other wicked things the men of Sodom were doing. Trying to rape visitors, not feeding the poor, etc. But they were clearly gay also.