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To: mark silvers who wrote (11673)3/17/1998 5:48:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mark;

You have no idea what you are up against here. Their theology is that the current State of Israel is worshiping satan and so forth. Also in their minds Jews are Christ killers and so forth. I am Nancy's husband and choose to stay away from the few religious fanatics like I see from some on this thread. Their minds are satans built up on pride and condemnation of ones spirit. To put it simply wolves in sheeps clothing they need to show some respect for the Jewish people and other cultures and stop their thick mixed up pride that sheds a poor light on what God and Jesus who are one are all about. One last note; They have in their own righteous way said I cannot be Jewish and believe and accept Jesus. At this point I have no respect for some on this thread and I rebuke them and have a right to do so.

Good Luck

Alan (A Jewish believer in Yeshua) Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.



To: mark silvers who wrote (11673)3/17/1998 5:57:00 PM
From: Chris land  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mark,

I look at it like this. God throughout His word is constantly telling us about the depravity of man. From the fall in genesis to the ungodly being cast into the lake of fire in Revelations. When men read the bible and feel good about their own accomplishments rather than what Christ has done it raises a red flag.

God is showing us that we in nothing without Him. Time and time again he shows us that the very best is altogether vanity and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. In spite of this though men continue to explore and find "so called" new ways to God.

Those whom God had spoken to in the past have for the most part been idolized. But if they were walking amongst us today they would be saying "why can't you walk and talk with God the same as I do?"

God hid the body of Moses because He knew that the children would have set up a great memorial for His bones and His gravesite would have been visited to this very day. In other words he would have been idolized.

God gave the law to Moses but even during the time of Christ it had become so doctored up, so ritual, so legalistic, so manipulated, that nobody could serve God because they were paralized by the it.

Sound doctrine lets men know that they can be redeemed by the blood of Christ but rituals, feasts, religion, docrines of men and such are burdens and obstacles to grace. -Chris



To: mark silvers who wrote (11673)3/18/1998 6:50:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mark,
Here is a question for you. Show me the beauty in these modern Jewish teachings taken from the Babylonian Talmud?



The Talmud on Christians, by the Jewish convert, Dr. Benjamin H.
Freedman.

It is important to note that the Babylonian Talmud is the foundation of modern Judaism
and forms the central core of studies for Rabbinical students even today. The following
teachings are part of the curriculum in every Orthodox seminary. The antichristian
fanaticism of the modern state of Israel is based on the antichrist Babylonian Talmud.
The Zionist murder and disposition of Palesinian Chritians and Moslems is justified by
the teachings of he Babylonian Talmud. Prime Minister Netanyahu, the present Prime
Minister of Israel is a student and follower of the Talmud.

Although, it is true that some people calling themselves "Christians" have inflicted
murder, thievery and abuses on Jews in the last 2000 years, there is no Christian
teachings or literature to support such behaviour by Christians. This type of behaviour
against any non-christian by Christians is condemned by all true Christians. The Jewish
Talmud, on the other hand, condones and encourages hatred against Christ and against
Christians and all other peoples and religions. We can thank God that many members
of Reformed, Conservative and so-called enlightened Judaism do not subscribe to
these teachings of the Talmud.

"FACTS ARE FACTS" By: Benjamin
H. Freedman

THE TALMUD on Christians

Soncino Edition in English.

First I will summarize the references
Jesus in the Talmud in the original texts.

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Sanhedrin, 67a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier

Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Jesus was illegitimate(bastard) and conceived during menstruation.

Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of Passover. Toldath Jeschu. Birth
related in most shameful expressions

Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira, a Roman soldier.

Schabbath XIV. Again referred to as the son of Pandira, the Roman.

Sanhedrin, 43a -- On the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus.

Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools.

Toldoth Jeschu. Judas and Jesus engaged in quarrel with filth.

Sanhedrin, 103a. -- Suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors self.

Sanhedrin, 107b. -- Seduced, corrupted and destroyed Israel.

Zohar III, (282) -- Died like a beast and buried in animal's dirt heap.

Hilkoth Melakhim -- Attempted to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus

Abhodah Zarah, 21a -- Reference to worship of Jesus in homes
unwanted.

Orach Chaiim, 113 -- Avoid appearance of paying respect to Jesus.

Iore dea, 150,2 -- Do not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident.

Abhodah Zarah (6a) -- False teachings to worship on first day of Sabbath

The above are a few selected from a very complicated arrangement in
which many references are obscured by intricate reasoning. The following
are a few summarized references to Christians and the Christian faith
although not always expressed in exactly that manner. There are eleven
names used in the Talmud for non-Talmud followers, by which Christians
are meant. Besides Nostrim, from Jesus the Nazarene, Christians are
called by all the names used in the Talmud to designate all non-"Jews":
Minim, Edom, Abhodan Zarah, Akum. Obhde Elilim, Nokrim, Amme
Haarets, Kuthim, Apikorosim, and Goim. Besides supplying the names by
which Christians are called in the Talmud, the passages quoted below
indicate what kind of people the Talmud pictures the Christians to be, and
what the Talmud says about the religious worship of Christians:

Hilkhoth Maakhaloth -- Christians are idolators, must not associate.

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Do not associate with gentiles, they shed blood.

Iore Dea (153, 2). -- Must not associate with Christians, shed blood.

Abhodah Zarah (25b). -- Beware of Christians when walking abroad with
them.

Orach Chaiim (20, 2). -- Christians disguise themselves to kill Jews.

Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggest Christians have sex relations with
animals.

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspect Christians of intercourse with animals.

Schabbath (145b) -- Christians unclean because they eat accordingly

Abhodah Zarah (22b) -- Christians unclean because they not at Mount
Sinai.

Iore Dea (198, 48). -- Clean female Jews contaminated meeting
Christians.

Kerithuth (6b p. 78) -- Jews called men, Christians not called men.

Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christian.

Orach Chaiim(225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for
comparisons.

Midrasch Talpioth 225 -- Christians created to minister to Jews always.

Orach Chaiim 57, 6a -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses.

Kethuboth (110b). -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.

Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse of Christian like that of beast.

Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of Christian is valued as seed of beast.

Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.

Eben Haezar (44,8) -- Marriages between Christian and Jews null.

Zohar (II, 64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.

Zohar (I, 28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve's serpent.

Zohar (I, 131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.

Emek Haschanach(17a) -- Non-Jews' souls come from death and death's
shadow.

Zohar (I, 46b, 47a) -- Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.

Rosch Haschanach(17a) -- Non-Jews souls go down to hell.

Iore Dea (337, 1). -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.

Iebhammoth (61a) -- Jews called men, but not Christians called men.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) T -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians

Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.

Iore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches.

Iore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols

Iore Dea (143, 1) -- Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.

Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) -- Jews must not resell broken chalices to
Christians.

Chullin (91b) -- Jews possess dignity even an angel cannot share.

Sanhedrin, 58b -- To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.

Chagigah, 15b -- A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.

Gittin (62a) -- Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.

Choschen Ham. (26,1) -- Jew must not sue before a Christian judge or
laws.

Choschen Ham (34,19) -- Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.

Iore Dea (112, 1). -- Avoid eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.

Abhodah Zarah (35b) -- Do not drink milk from a cow milked by
Christian.

Iore dea (178, 1) -- Never imitate customs of Christians, even hair-comb.

Abhodah Zarah (72b) -- Wine touched by Christians must be thrown
away.

Iore Dea (120, 1) -- Bought-dishes from Christians must be thrown away.

Abhodah Zarah (2a) -- For three days before Christian festivals, avoid all.

Abhodah Zarah (78c) -- Festivals of followers of Jesus regarded as
idolatry.

Iore Dea (139, 1) -- Avoid things used by Christians in their worship.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) -- Forbidden to sell Christians articles for worship.

Iore Dea (151,1) H. -- Do not sell water to Christians articles for
baptisms.

Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) -- Do not trade with Christians on their feast days.

Abhodah Zarah (1,2) -- Now permitted to trade with Christians on such
days.

Abhodah Zarah (2aT) -- Trade with Christians because they have money
to pay.

Iore Dea (148, 5) -- If Christian is not devout, may send him gifts.

Hilkoth Akum (IX,2) -- Send gifts to Christians only if they are irreligious.

Iore Dea (81,7 Ha) -- Christian wet-nurses to be avoided because
dangerous.

Iore Dea (153, 1 H) -- Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.

Iore Dea (155,1). -- Avoid Christian doctors not well known to neighbors.

Peaschim (25a) -- Avoid medical help from idolators, Christians meant.

Iore Dea (156,1) -- Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by Jews.

Abhodah Zarah (26a). -- Avoid Christian midwives as dangerous when
alone.

Zohar (1,25b) -- Those who do good to Christians never rise when dead.

Hilkoth Akum (X,6) -- Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.

Iore Dea (148, 12H) -- Hide hatred for Christians at their celebrations.

Abhodah Zarah (20a) -- Never praise Christians lest it be believed true.

Iore Dea (151,14) -- Not allowed to praise Christians to add to glory.

Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) -- Quote Scriptures to forbid mention of Christian
god.

Iore Dea (146, 15) -- Refer to Christian religious articles with contempt.

Iore Dea (147,5) -- Deride Christian religious articles without wishes.

Hilkoth Akum (X,5) -- No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.

Iore Dea (151,11) -- Gifts forbidden to Christians, encourages friendship.

Iore Dea (335,43) -- Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.

Iore Dea (154,2) -- Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian

Babha Bathra (54b) -- Christian property belongs to first person claiming.

Choschen Ham(183,7) -- Keep what Christian overpays in error.

Choschen Ham(226,1) -- Jew may keep lost property of Christian found
by Jew.

Babha Kama (113b) -- It is permitted to deceive Christians.

Choschen Ham(183,7) -- Jews must divide what they overcharge
Christians.

Choschen Ham(156,5) -- Jews must not take Christian customers from
Jews.

Iore Dea (157,2) H -- May deceive Christians that believe Christian
tenets.

Abhodah Zarah (54a) --Usury may be practiced upon Christians or
apostates.

Iore Dea (159,1) -- Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.

Babha Kama (113a) -- Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian.

Babha Kama (113b) -- Name of God not profaned when lying to
Christians.

Kallah (1b, p.18) -- Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.

Schabbouth Hag. (6d). -- Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge
wording.

Zohar (1,160a). -- Jews must always try to deceive Christians.

Iore Dea (158,1) -- Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.

Orach Cahiim (330,2) -- Do not assist Christian's childbirth on Saturday.

Choschen Ham.(425,5) -- Unless believes in Torah do not prevent his
death.

Iore Dea (158,1) -- Christians not enemies must not be saved either.

Hilkkoth Akum (X,1) -- Do not save Christians in danger of death.

Choschen Ham(386,10) -- A spy may be killed even before he confesses.

Abhodah Zorah (26b) -- Apostates to be thrown into well, not rescued.

Choschen Ham(388,15) -- Kill those who give Israelites' money to
Christians

Sanhedrin (59a) -- 'Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty

Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) -- Baptized Jews are to be put to death

Iore Dea(158,2)Hag. -- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.

Choschen Ham(425,5) -- Those who do not believe in Torah are to be
killed.

Hilkhoth tesch.III,8 -- Christians and others deny the "Law" of the Torah.

Zohar (I,25a) -- Christians are to be destroyed as idolators.

Zohar (II,19a) -- Captivity of Jews end when Christian princes die.

Zohar (I,219b) -- Princes of Christians are idolators, must die.

Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.

Abhodah Zarah(26b) T. -- "Even the best of the Goim should be killed."

Sepher Or Israel 177b -- If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.

Ialkut Simoni (245c) -- Shedding blood of impious offers sacrifice to God.

Zohar (II, 43a) -- Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.

Zohar (L,28b,39a) -- High place in heaven for those who kill idolators.

Hilkhoth Akum(X,1) -- Make no agreements and show no mercy to
Christians

Hilkhoth Akum (X,1) -- Either turn them away from their idols or kill.

Hilkhoth Akum (X,7) -- Allow no idolators to remain where Jews are
strong.

Choschen Ham(388,16) -- All contribute to expense of killing traitor.

Pesachim (49b) -- No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath.

Schabbath (118a). -- Prayers to save from punishment of coming
Messiah.