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Pastimes : Metaphysics and Spiritual Practices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rick Julian who wrote (605)	3/18/1998 8:58:00 PM
From: Harmattan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 650

Rick, ...so you relate to the implicit futility expressed in Beckett's stuff? no, no, i know it sounds like that is what i'm saying but it's really not. a sense of futility is something i don't think Hamm or Clov or Vladimir or Estragon felt. i think even Beckett somewhere said that so many of his critics saw a pessimism (futility) in his writings he never put there. for me a sense of futility requires a back ground assumption that "meaning" exists (meaninglessness just being the alter ego of meaning). that is one of the mysterious things about Beckett, many read that pessimism into his thought. i don't see it. i don't think he was concerned about meaning or meaninglessness at all. i guess his writings are like a mirror. we look at them and see a reflection of who we are whoever that may be. the adjectives and nouns i used were too suggestive of an emotion i didn't intend. i agree with you, we need to open up our imaginations to ...etc. i would just put the proviso on that what our imaginations conjure up we shouldn't equate with a reality that has meaning, a dogmatic mistake we repeatedly fall into and the reason we are doomed to repeat our mistakes. this is the argument i was trying to put forward way back near the beginning of the thread's discussion of the course entitled, "A Course in Miracles" (maybe you weren't here yet). it is a subtle point most people don't really conceive of but there is a space between meaning and meaninglessness. it is the emptiness of Buddhism, the nothingness of Hinduism. neither of which are negative or pessimistic concepts. i better stop before i get even more mired down in what i'm trying to say. like i said, i don't want to talk about it .<grin> ghunk