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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (736)	3/19/1998 10:05:00 PM
From: Grantcw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Hello Jane, Thought I'd butt in to your conversation with Parcival. I'm sorry if I'm rambling because I may take us on a tangent. I don't think people find God by looking at how nice people are. What does the trick, however, is looking at the change a Christian makes upon conversion (normally being much nicer and loving). I think this makes people more open to God because they become confused about the changes Jesus makes in us. After that, it's up to God. Have you ever though about what the world would be like if all of us were nice all the time and there was no evil? I've heard the thought presented that evil was allowed by God in order for us to realize that we need God. The reasoning being that we would never rely on God if we had no problems. I'm not sure what I believe about the idea presented above. It borders on free will vs. Determinism and I've decided that I will never be able to figure this one out. I therefore won't argue about it, but I do like hearing people's takes on these ideas. God bless everyone, Grant

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (736)	3/20/1998 7:46:00 AM
From: parcival	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Jane, Sorry it took so long to respond, having some troubles w/ SI re my signing on as a member(messed up my VISA #). I am very drawn to study in these matters. Christians take the idea of the Incarnation of the second person of the Blessed Trinity offering himself in love to the world to be a higher, more illuminated, form. ( Than that of the image of God presented in the "Book of Job") In other words, God has been tempered by taking the form of man and experiencing the world of man. But Carl Jung says this is not the answer because Christ was a divine incarnation born of a virgin, so he really wasn't man, he was God. Jung argues,"God wanted to become man and still wants to." So he provided for his continuing incarnation w/in man as the Holy Ghost, the third person of the BT. So, if you want to see God in the world, recognize it in mankind. Jung's answer to Job: Don't throw this blame back on God, on the universe, or on anything of the kind. "The incarnation in Christ is the prototype which is continually being transferred to the creature by the Holy Ghost." - Jung Since all is the divine radiance(Brahman), how can we say 'no' to ignorance or brutality or anything? Where are you between two thoughts? The goal of life is to be a vehicle for something higher. So compassion and love go beyond the pairs of opposites....Christ's message, yes? Christ participated in the suffering and joys of the world, all the while seeing through them the radiance of the divine presence. That's what I see in the Crucifixion. The hero's death and resurrection is a model for the casting off of the old life and moving into the new. Many thanks for this forum. Would like to discuss the Holy Grail motif at some time in the future. parsival