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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (171)3/21/1998 7:29:00 PM
From: bobby beara  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1615
 
Hi Jane, most people don't realize that if it weren't for God's mercy, His Word and men like Noah, Abraham, Moses and the Son of God, Jesus Christ, that this is exactly what the pages of history would look like.

>>>>We would go five pages and vomit<<<<

With no moral and ethical code or standard, what is left but to be ruled by the likes of Caesar, Stalin and Hitler.

Man loses all nobility separated from a moral and ethical standard to live by and we end up being even lower than any carnivorous mammal that walks the earth, who only kills for sustenance.

We are truly truuuuulyyyyy lucky and God blessed, to live in a nation founded on Biblical principles. It sure beats places like Bosnia, North Korea, or Iraq. We have not only taken this blessing for granted, but America has arrogantly turned away from it's Blessor. It's time to smell the coffee folks, I believe that blessing is running out.

If you think you can trust Bill Clinton or Alan Greenspan to get us out of this mess, I have some Florida swampland to sell you -g-

We are in a critical juncture in history with a stock market on a vertical tear, while a third of the world economy is in default, a President with a plethora of legal problems, Yelstin near death, Saddam on the loose, Y2K yadda yadda yadda.

It's time to humble ourselves and pray, not to be complacent.

bobby




To: Jane Hafker who wrote (171)3/22/1998 8:45:00 AM
From: Flames like Godzilla  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1615
 
Jane;

I apologize, I have failed to fully understand your response. I didn't mention "Satan", "Lucifer", or "the philosophy of Lucifer". I honestly have no idea what you are talking about, as I have never studied those things in great detail. I'm not very familiar with Nostradamus either.

To have taken a few sentences I wrote and formed a rather startling and erroneous conclusion begs a response. Permit me if I may to make a few simple points, before I bid you a happy lifetime.

Perhaps you are familiar with what are currently called "out-of-body experiences". This is where people have described a phenomenon (such as a "near death experience") where they perceive things from what appears (to them) to be outside their own body.

I respectfully ask you to grant, for a moment, that such an "out-of-body" experience is possible. That is all I am asking you to do; assume that it is possible. Consider the ramifications of such an experience. (And please, Jane, before you denigrate me as a lunatic or a devil-worshiper again, consider not my religious faith, which could, for all you know, be Muslim or Christian, or my intelligence and education, which could be lesser or greater than yours for all you know, or my profession, which for all you know could be a janitor or an ordained minister, but only my personal experience, which I can assure you, was quite real. When a person has such an experience, it can be quite eye-opening.)

I am not talking about what a person might "see" or "hear" while having such an experience. Just consider the simple ramifications of the experience. A person sees that he or she is outside the body. After a period of time, the person goes back inside the body, and then later reports his experiences.

What this could suggest to a person that had such an experience is that the body is not the person: that the person is, in fact, an entity which inhabits a body, but can exist outside the body. Further, if a person had an experience such as this and remembered it and later reported it, that could imply that the person's memory was also separate and distinct from the person's body, would it not?

What if that experience was a catalyst for the person's memory and the person was afterwards able to simply remember times when he or she inhabited other bodies prior to the current one? What if that person could then actually document such a prior lifetime by remembering a name or a date, and then, amazingly, finding it in an old newspaper? Do you honestly believe that a person who had such an experience would be a raving evil lunatic that spoke the words of the devil, just because he almost died and then his memory improved?

What you call "[my] personal view of [my] own soul" and sarcastically brand as "great" is in fact a simple deduction that I made after a simple experience that changed my life. I repeat, it is not "my" soul, I am a soul. You also mention "...miserable rotten corrupt and loathsome selves..." but I honestly can't believe that you actually believe that is true. I find it unfortunate and small minded that you lightly dismiss my comments as the words of the "devil". You say that I am evil, but in fact, I find people to be good and kind, in general, and I see God in every single person that I meet.

I am telling you that it could be possible that you are not a piece of meat. I am telling you that it is possible that you are immortal, (you, not "your soul") and you will not die when your body dies. If you are asserting that I am evil because I am suggesting that you consider what happened to me and that I believe you could learn from it, so that you could have a better understanding of your own future, then, with all due respect, I humbly submit that you just might be missing something important.

Jane, the next time you call someone evil and dismiss his or her words as the words of the devil, please consider what you are saying for a few minutes before you say it. The fact that I may not agree with your personal understanding of the spiritual nature of a human being does not mean that I am evil. There are people and experiences in this world that some of us can learn from.

I believe your faith in your fellow man and in the spiritual nature of things might be enhanced by a better understanding of the truth. When your body expires, and you do not, perhaps then you will remember what I have said. Perhaps you could also benefit by observing less of the bad in others and more of the good. I have.

(Oh, and if you call me evil again, you'll be picking a fight that you cannot win.)

Have a happy life.