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To: BamaReb who wrote (3896)	3/23/1998 1:08:00 AM
From: Druss	Respond to of 12754

BamaReb--Malvern Hill was a bad tactical error. One of two major ones that come to mind for me that Lee made. The other being Picketts Charge. They were similar mistakes, a headlong charge against a prepared enemy who had artillery superiority. McClellan not stopping a retreat was nothing new, he had been retreating from victories all during the Seven Days. McClellan would have retreated had the battle not been fought. I believe Lee made a similar mistake in the sense of believing his troops could do anything (I think he had Gainesville fresh in his mind). D.H. Hill called it not war but murder to send men up that hill. Shelby Foote calls it mass murder. My sources indicate 5990 Rebels fell to less than a third that of the Union. Sterling Price--A General from Missouri, called 'Old Pap' by his troops, had a bad habit of attacking fortified positions. Led a campaign into Missouri late in the war with 12,000 men. He attacked Fort Davidson losing over 1500 men in exchange for 200 Union. Only 1000 Union defenders in the fort. By the time his campaign ended he had 6,000 men left including men he had recruited in Missouri. By the end his troops were widely quoted as saying "God Damn Old Pap" frequently (a mild form of their various quotes). The Confederate Government held a formal inquiry into charges of "Glaring mismanagement and distressing mental and physical military incapacity." Had he not had an outstanding cavalry commander in Shelby he likely would have lost his entire command. Druss The words about Grant were not mine. Again though I think you under rate him. Your comment about his strategy of abandoning his supply lines misses the point. The great commanders get on the edge and win. Jackson in the Valley, Lee at Chancellorsville, or Forrest too many times to count took tremendous risks that would have exposed them to criticism as being rash or stupid.

To: BamaReb who wrote (3896)	3/23/1998 1:15:00 AM
From: Druss	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12754

BamaReb--Now that you are suckered in. <<We all thought Richmond protected as it was by our splendid fortifications and defended by our army of veterans, could not be taken. Yet Grant turned his face to our Capital, and never turned it away until we had surrendered. Now I have carefully searched the military records of both the ancient and modern history, and have never found Grant's superior as a general. I doubt that his superior can be found in all history.>> Robert E. Lee