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To: Jamey who wrote (12450)	3/25/1998 10:53:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>...Morning James...><> Your question: Who do you think the clouds of Saints are that will return with Him? Does this mean that you believe that there are no saints with Him already? Shalom...><> BTW...James, Rick has asked an honest question. Would you like to respond to him since you have such a good handle on those issues I presume that you could make a clear and precise distinction. Although I know it is a tough one, I have confidence that you are up to the task. Message 3830449

To: Jamey who wrote (12450)	3/25/1998 12:15:00 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 39621

James, in the book of Hebrews it says:"You made Him a little lower than the angels;you crowned Him with glory and honor and put everything under His feet." In putting everything under Him, God left nothing that is not subject to Him. <chap. 2:7-8> <chap. 5> that Jesus is the high priest in the order of Melchizedek. And v. 6 says He is FOREVER a priest. It is interesting to note that Melchizedek was not only a king, but also a priest. point is ALL have the opportunity to accept Jesus right now just as they had the opportunity to accept Him then. I do not see God raising up more priest to offer sacrifices for the people( which is what priest did,) that were only a "shadow" of things to come when the High Priest is at the Fathers right hand speaking for all who call Him both Lord and Savior. When Jesus cried, "It is finished" from the cross, was He speaking of His physical life? Or was He speaking of His finishing Sacrifice? Was this not when the curtain of the temple was torn top to bottom? dcf

To: Jamey who wrote (12450)	3/25/1998 12:58:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

James, <<What I want to know is do you believe that God will restore the land to Israel and David and his line of decendants upon His Second Coming? I see no absurdity that God can resurrect David's line and restore them.>> We are David's line. Yes ,Jesus will come again in His physical body to execute judgement this time. He will establish His physical Kingdom, it's center will be Jerusalem. The inhabitants of Jerusalem will be US!! We are God's chosen people. <<At least God will offer them Salvation. If for some ridiculous reason they refused the King in all His glory I suppose then some would not be restored.>> They were all offered salvation when they were alive. If they are alive when Jesus returns and still on the earth then they were not raptured which means they took the mark of the beast and separated themselves from God forever. They will get no amnesty when Jesus comes again. Anyone whether they call themselves Jews or not they have decided their own fate by that time. <<There also will rise 144,000 Jewish Priests that will bring the opportunity to all living Jews to repent and give their hearts to Jesus.>> Rev 14:1-5 seems to show these 144,000 are before the throne of God in heaven singing with the Lord before Jesus returns to the earth for Judgement and before the time I think is the rapture. These 144,000 are born again believers also. <<I love to study about the Second Coming of Christ but my belief is that all born again Christians will be raptured and in Heaven prior to the Lord's Second Coming. Who do you think the clouds of Saints are that will return with Him? We will, my friend.>> WE AGREE, We will return with Him. We will be taken up just before the wrath of God is poured out, then the wrath, then Jesus returns with us with Him. I know you think we will be taken up much sooner, God forbid we will suffer the tribulation, it's just so unamerican!! <ggg> Sorry, couldn't resist. Bob