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To: Laz who wrote (583)	3/26/1998 6:01:00 PM
From: Joe Copia	Respond to of 9824

Joe is a daytrader by profession, he has a time and resource to chase leads do TA, talk to IR, or whatever during the normal business day. Sir , pardon me? a day trader. DO I KNOW YOU? HOW DO YOU KNOW ME? 1) My Company is Copia Associates, Inc. We have an Aerosol Propellant plant in Conway, KS within the KOCH ISO plant. This is strategically located at the feedstock (source) Conway Group 140. 2)Resources? I do not even have Level 2.. geez. Is there not a law about lying...slander ..libel ... something lke that. Maybe my lawyer knows. You have me mixed up with some XMex or sumtin ... Joe PTG&LI !!! not gonna ask for an apology btw Its ok to to spray :)

To: Laz who wrote (583)	3/26/1998 6:10:00 PM
From: Carlton A. Byrd	Respond to of 9824

Jim, Ditto. Anyone in the market long enough understands what happened today and no apology is necessary. Back to lurking and holding on to all my shares. Better days are ahead as the company gets more info out. Thanks, C.

To: Laz who wrote (583)	3/26/1998 6:12:00 PM
From: john a.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9824

Man has this thread changed... Laz, great post, and I agree with it all except for the part about Joe and day trading which I dont know either way. Jim B I too am VERY appreciative of all your effort, your research and posts. Please dont let some frustrated venting run you off. You absolutely have contributed the most to this thread, and owe no one anything else. thanks for your help.. jas

To: Laz who wrote (583)	3/26/1998 7:55:00 PM
From: Ga Bard	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9824

Laz... I think your post is a good one except about the professional day trader part which is an inaccurate statement and here is why. Day traders buy when a stock when it starts moving then sell out very quickly at the stall and move on to the next one. Hoffy for example did exactly that. Now I have a system called BTS which I have put out ever since I lost all that money last year. The link is in my profile most that have read it agree and even use it. OR you can pay for a seminar that has apparently spun off it on how to be profitable somewhere. Anyway with that said does that make me day trader??? I beg to differ it makes me an investor that takes advantage of stocks that are rolling, being slammed, shorted, e-mail sheeped, shaken but not stirred, etc. etc.. Now ALL stocks roll very very few go straight up. VERY VERY few will I not BTS matter of fact there is only two that I wont. I have exactly the shares I want in one and still accumulating another. Now at some point I and others will BTS a stock, dump it or whatever and get back the initial and/or profit. That descision from what I see is based on a moment's notice which is why most get real time. Example last night there was a error in the news release (Cardinal Sin) which made it questionable. Then other threads and sites were slamming this one massively. Now those that have real time saw a gap up and then saw the block sells coming in. Now whether the sells were trader sells or short sells does not matter they were in fact sells. It could have been a shake for all anyone knew. Some apparently BTSed and sat back and watched it plummet. Once the believers in the stock saw buying hit it they bought back at the floor of .25. Welcome to BTS. Now without real time you could shoot yourself in the foot. Plus you have to learn the trading logs. This is how MMs make money by churning the volume. Joe was buying yesterday afternoon as per his own thread in the .35 area. Now Joe is a daytrader & investor same as every one else. However he is not a paid professional that I can detect from his thread and posts. If he were a professional (piad) or slang he would not have been buying yesterday. He knows when to sell and when to buy same as most do and some that are learning. But even he makes mistakes. I would not have bought yesterday afternoon. There are a lot of people BTSing as most know what that system was designed for and doing very well with it. Joe even states he uses that system and has made very good money on it and learning to support his long terms. You should not be upset with anyone taking some profit. This stock is going to be fine. Now if savvy investors see massive blocks of sells again they will do it again and buy back at the floor don't kid yourself. If this makes them day traders I am sorry I do not agree but if you do not have the funds to support a stock then BTS helps you support it. Also how many times have you held and accumulated and suddenly something comes out and you can't get out thus losing money. Think about the one sin that will nail you.... GREED!!! TRNG is a solid company and I really like this company plus I believe it will go far. One person is not going to effect a stock price, except maybe Warren Buffet. There are momentum and day traders in every stock just like slammers and people with a motives to make the stock price fall. That is why people have real time. Keeping the market liquid is the name of the game. Now if the stock supporters do not BTS and buy back in a stock at the floor it would just lay on the floor (INFE) because all the long holders do not have money to support it. If you BTS'd at .38 - .33 as it started to fall and watched for the cover or buying to come back at .24 to get back in you actually supported the stock and made money PLUS you have a lower AMSC on the shares you have. Also the difference in capital from an average of .35 to .25 is a dime or a 30% gain across the board. Noiw doing this is not for anyone not experienced at seeing what is going on and KNOWS what to do. It is the ones bailing out at the bottom of a dip that loose. This happens all the time and in nearly every stock. I have only two longs I will not sell on a bet because I will not get those shares back at the price I got them for and basically to afraid to BTS those two stocks. Be my luck I do they will take off and go without me. Not many am I afraid to BTS though. Oh well just my opinion. Flame if you want but this is how I trade and it is in my profile and I am a supporter of this stock. Everyone has to protect their investment and it is a lot easier to hold long once you have no initial out of pocket expense and dealing only with your profit. No one should be upset because someone sold. Not all of us have the same logic or sense of money. That is how the market works. I have people tell me all the time I BTS'd and it went higher dang it. Well know one knows what a stock is going to do especially the OTC arena. I will tell you an investor that got rich on the market was once asked : "How did you get so rich?" His reply was "Because I alwayed sold to soon." This same gentleman also said "However I knew when hold for the long term also." Now the thread has gotten hostile like others when a stock falls. Do not let the anger and all upset you thus making you emotional. Emotions loose you money. I know a lot of people that BTS'd a stock and have been kicking themselves for it. This happens and you have to understand the risks of holding or selling. Heck if it was easy anyone could do it. Oh well just my opinion. Flame if you want but this is how I trade and it is in my profile and I am a supporter of this stock. Everyone has to protect their investment and it is a lot easier to hold once you have no intial out of pocket expense and dealing only with your profit. I will tell you this if not for some that believed in this stock BTSing and bringing it back from the floor it would still be there. Think about it. Ok off my soap box and back to this company's potential. do be do eb doooo GaBard Oh by the way you just got your first experience or taste of a HARD CORE shake. If you are going long you have to be mentally prepared to doubt your strength in a stock. And trust me MMs make a living doing exact that... making you think!!!!