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To: O'Hara who wrote (19467)	3/29/1998 7:39:00 PM
From: Intrepid1	Respond to of 108807

Welcome everyone to the new Silicon Investor Chat Show BLIND FAITH AND DENIAL, starring our very own Asscetic, Shalom Hepzibah. purething

To: O'Hara who wrote (19467)	3/30/1998 7:18:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Shalom, it is common knowledge that the tribes inhabiting the Holy Land at the time Jesus is said to have been born were dark-skinned. I am quite surprised that you are not aware of this. Are you under the impression that God thunder-bolted a white-skinned, blue-eyed Jesus down in the midst of these people? I don't think so!! It is human nature for religious people to want to worship deities that look like them, just as small children often want to play with dolls who look like them. But at the same time we can all understand how people would feel that way about Jesus, and change his physical characteristics to match theirs, I think it is important to realize that the historical reality is totally different, and that Jesus was a brown person. Does this make a difference to you? Would you not idolize him unless you believed he was a white guy? I would note, in particular, the utter absurdity, and real evil, of white people in the Ku Klux Klan, the militia movement, and all the other hate groups, who burn crosses on blacks' lawns, and generally discriminate, terrorize and oppress people of color in the name of Christ, who was not white at all. I will give you two url's to look at, but I can tell from your recent posts that your mind is closed. Do you just read one version of the Bible for information? In the search I did about Jesus' race, I found several books at Amazon.com, written by Christian theologians, debating whether Jesus actually existed, or was a legend, for example. Obviously his teachings of love and tolerance have survived, and that is good, but he does not have to have existed in reality to have accomplished that. What I am trying to say is that many Christians do not freeze themselves in a time two thousand years ago, when much was still to be discovered, and consider every word in the Bible the absolute truth and reality, nor do they live with blinders on. Many Christians can accept that Jesus may have been a mythological or legendary character, in fact, because what is important is that his teachings were handed down to help people today who still believe in him. But if he did really live, Shalom, he was definitely a man of color. abarnett.demon.co.uk www2.ncsu.edu Additionally, I am still waiting for you to apologize for damaging my reputation by stating that I gave you pornographic url's to look at, when I did nothing of the kind. It is strange that a Christian like you would act in such a seemingly dishonest manner. I am very puzzled.

To: O'Hara who wrote (19467)	4/3/1998 12:12:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Shalom, I "oops" my response to you to Christine. But to Shalom, I feel amplification of thought is in order here. First of all, this is all quite fruitless you know. Anyway, if they want to make Jesus a descendant of Ham, after all, let them continue to rewrite history to what extent they care to. Look at the poor Temple brothers. Anything that can be done, will. We now have "Christians" writing erudite treatises on whether or not Jesus was real. I've already seen this. It comes not from Christians but those now in charge of the Presybeterian and Methodist church house structures. They have been totally conquered. THe statement "Christian theologians are now debating whether Jesus ever lived." Well, they haven't read Josephus, for one, who records his trial and death. But, in that sentence we take malapropism, and the phrase ludicrous semantics to the farthest realms of the mind's ability to comprehend the absurd. But, HOW could He have lusted after John and Peter IF He hadn't lived? Oh, how confusing their theories become. And on Nosty they work on rationalizing the non-existance of ancient "re-copied" "manuscripts" proving that our Lord Jesus Christ was first drawn irrestibly to India-Tibet to study Buddhist teaching that THERE IS NO GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE, before charging off the Egypt, where our Lord Jesus Christ sought the power of the black arts thought the study of the prince of darkness through the Set and Osiris cults. Now, HOW could He have really been an aethiest believing only in himself as a human, who then sought power from the prince of the underworld worshipped in Egypt only to come back and engineer his own gruesome and horrible torture for His proximity to the Heavenly Father, Jehovah of the Jews, if He was never even real? Christine, you must not accept the never lived theory, because it destroys all of the work on the other pagan thought theories. And IN PRINT! Someone has typed them on paper and put them in a binder. THAT MEANS IT IS ALL TRUE! IT IS IN PRINT!!! While, of course, being a closet practicing homosexual. This is important now to the practicing homosexuals to somehow prove the Lord Jesus Christ also lusted for same body sex. Let's give these poor people a break, Shalom. Their brains are close to mush and total destruction as it is. They all need time to twist and bend these insanities into something workable for each other and for the pagans coming up behind them now, as we speak, just now able to comprehend both that there is no God and that they probably are really queer and need to give in to the urge and experiement quickly with other members of the same sex before the 2 days of confusion goes away and the normal hormone development begins. Out of kindness, let them continue with it all, and see where it leads. Remember what Paul says? When the time comes, CUT IT LOOSE AND THE DEVIL CAN HAVE IT. I think that's fair to both sides. Besides, this is all unclean, all of this going back and forth, I believe.