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To: damniseedemons who wrote (18280)3/29/1998 10:33:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes  Respond to of 24154
 
>>>What I have a problem with are the techies who wholeheartedly believe that all they have to do is build the best technical product and it will magically sell itself and win the market.<<<

Who are you talking about? Exactly I mean, besides people with technical talent in general?

>>>Those are the same people who call everything Microsoft ships
"junk" and "inferior," and they don't have a clue as to why Microsoft is so successful but instead cry, "monopoly!" <<<

One logic-defying non-sequiter after another, literally.

1. First of all the people that realize how poor those products often are have had an insight into part of the process by which MSFT makes money. They have at least one clue, therefore.

2. There is nothing about knowing that some particular Microsoft product is inferior or just boring that keeps one from also having a realization that the company is in fact a monopoly. Nor does liking or disliking one thing keep you from liking or disliking the other. (Yes, I know you didn't say that either. But I am not limited to directly addressing what you said when demolishing your stance, am I? :-)

3. I am always suspicious of writers who take the 'these are the same people' tack in reference to anything. One thing that you can depend on is that they have never done any kind of analysis to determine what beliefs some well defined group holds in common or simultaneously. Nor will a person making such an attack ever deal fairly, recognizing that a person making a mistake on one issue is likely to be correct on another.

No, this is just a kind of slipshod argumentation that depends on transferring the results of one attack, often false results in themselves, to another point entirely, hoping that the audience is retarded enough not to see this clumsy pass. This is known as 'tarring with the same brush', and is a style of argument best left to those who believe, among many false things, that all their enemies know each other, or at least, less sarcastically, that ones opponents need no distinguishing from each other. This is where the idea of 'the same people' has its origin.

Cheers,
Chaz