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To: rhet0ric who wrote (10624)4/1/1998 12:47:00 PM
From: David Semoreson  Respond to of 213176
 
Re: Apple's Java Strategy - a great post, rhetOric!

>Apple's Java strategy is brilliant, in my opinion, and indicative of
>Jobs's vision of where the industry is going, and his knowledge of
>how to take advantage of different possible futures.

Wholeheartedly agreed - most people like to categorize him as a failure or as a prick to employees. His strategy AND implementation on clones, retailers, BTO, AppleStore, Java, MacOS, Rhapsody, MSFT alliance have all been right on IMO.

Memo to BOD - give him whatever he wants (as long as the options are not in-the-money).

>In return, I suspect that MS may have conceded to integrate Yellow
>Boxes on Win95 and WinNT.

I posted about this awhile ago, and think it is obviously a good quid pro quo for MSFT, and helps them with the DOJ as well.

** David



To: rhet0ric who wrote (10624)4/1/1998 8:27:00 PM
From: Matthew Johnson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 213176
 
Hi all (Warning: This is way off the topic and i am a freebie)

Thank you for the warm welcome i received from my first nervous post.

I must say that i really enjoy reading this thread daily. It is not often that I would have a opportunity to make a posting as I know very little about stocks (I don't even understand what is meant by bullish or bearish) but thats ok I am enjoying learning from you infinitely smarter investors.

I am a technical person. A computer programmer by trade I just wanted to take exception to a point made by rhetoric:

> I disagree with your view that Java is merely a language. Yes, it is
>a language, and a very good one. The Java developer at my company
>finds it massively superior as a language to C or C++.

Java is a GREAT beginners language. Java is basically C++ without all the good stuff in it(C++ --). This "stuff" was taken out to simplify the language so the Java Virtual Machine could be smaller and therefore faster. also it makes coding alot easier. But please you cannot tell me taking abilities out of a language makes it a superior language. I can do all you can do in Java in C++(or C for that matter) and much much more. Faster and more efficiently I might add.

The REAL advantage that Java has promised is basically the cross platform libraries. Much like the Yellow box libraries. The actual language of Java is not important. If somebody writes a C/C++ compiler that compiles to Java Byte Code the I think that the Java Language would die a horrible death but the class libraries would live on and florish.

I really don't like the Java Hype because as a ex-Java developer it was my task to write a cross platform tool in Java. This was the worst programming experience of my life. Java is just not cross-platform, hell its not even cross-browser. This was about 1.5 years ago and I am sure things have improved dramatically. But it just doesn't change the fact that Java just ain't C/C++.

sorry about all that. I just hate the hype.

Matthew



To: rhet0ric who wrote (10624)4/1/1998 8:53:00 PM
From: Hugues  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 213176
 
Naive questions about Java and Rhapsody and Apple perspectives Thank you rhetOric for your excellent posts on Java and Rhapsody. Maybe you could give us more insights. I understand Java is pretty attractive to a lot of people, working on it, or studying it. I guess the two reasons are - portability between platforms - object-oriented and maybe a third one: - agreement on it by all as the next best language for developing programs However, Java is not the only object-oriented language, and a lot of other languages are portable between platform: I suppose c++ is too. For the time being, there seems to be few applications available in Java. The main reason always stated being performance. As you know, Java needs to be compiled before execution, and this takes time. Even with the advent of the recent Just-in-time compilers, I wonder how Java could beat direct access to already compiled OS code. I guess there must be a way, but i am not qualified enough to understand which one. There are talks of special Java designed chips, but this is not what we are talking about, I suppose. This is more like small appliances (see Alcatel recent internet phone). So everything seems to come down to the Java Virtual machine, which in a way will replace the OS for special services. And here seems to lie the real revolution, imhno (in my humble newbie opinion). They have to be designed for each OS (or even hardware ?), and be available to the user. And fast. Assumed they can be fast, what will happen ? Everybody will offer its own Java machine, which will make standardization difficult. See Microsoft strategy, and Unix development. Apple is offering another one, inside the Yellow box. As you post smartly explains it, this is indeed brilliant, because with it you can run Java applications. However I did not understand if it will run all kind of Java applications or only Rhapsody applications written in Java. In other word, if every user will need another java virtual machine for his java applications which are not rhapsody-based. Apple can distribute its yellow box on MacOs, Windows, NT and sun solaris, as it is rumored. But I don't see why it should be better or faster than these OSs' respective Java Machines. And more annoying: Why would people need rhapsody or yellow box if they have java ? And why would developers choose to develop on rhapsody (with Java or open step, yet to be discovered) when they can develop for the java machines of the different OS. Does the yellow box provide more services than a classic virtual machine ? Are they really essential ? So, from what I have so far understood, Java evolution could really impact Apple future: - If it does come out, it will reduce Microsoft power and pave the way for a rhapsody alternative - But it could also make it obsolete (or less needful) by providing the cross-platform development called for by the computer community If Rhapsody is a hit, AND it is priced around 100-150 $, It could easily bring Apple hundreds of millions of net results a year. And this could be incorporated in the stock price by the end of the year, after a few positive reviews of major developers and education of investor. If it is not, it can also be incorporated gradually (and seamlessly) into the macOs, and bring a powerful OS to mac Users. This would stop the erosion of market share and could slowly bring back growth. However, the stock would not go above 30$ before 2 years. What's your opinion ?