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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (13043)	4/1/1998 12:19:00 PM
From: Graystone	Respond to of 39621

Unclean or What Comes Out If I am not mistaken, Shalom has posted some scripture on unclean. Oh, yes, here it is. Not that I expect anybody believe this catch-all kind of definition, especially Jane, have to know her God to understand depraved clearly Shalom on "unclean" #reply-3825520

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (13043)	4/1/1998 12:29:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear Jane, as always, your post comes right from the heart and rings so true about how we should look upon deviant behavior. Henry seems to not have a clue as to what the New Testament has to say about certain behaviors. Maybe he missed what the book of Romans has to say about it all. The book of James talks about those that seem to have a hard time about what their core beliefs are. "5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1 God don't approve of no "fence straddlers" You keep telling it like it is, Grace and I will rejoice and pray for you. I know the cheering section of the Saints passed on are standing up in joy for your testimony. James

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (13043)	4/1/1998 12:32:00 PM
From: Rick	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Still clicking "next" when I see Graystoke. Actually, it's kind of neat. I do wish however that one could eliminate someone's posting permanently. Jane, did you answer Henry's question? I think he/I wants to know what you think about loving homosexuals. What say you about THAT? In Christ, Rick

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (13043)	4/1/1998 2:19:00 PM
From: Henry Volquardsen	Respond to of 39621

Jane, Thank you for your response. I want to think out my response tonight when I have more time to reflect and I will respond then. FWIW I notice you got several responses to your post. I have not read them nor will I. I have deleted the bookmark to 'Ask God'. The conversation had become destructive from both sides in my opinion. I regret any part I may have had in a negative tone but stand by the specifics of the message I was trying, however imperfectly, to convey. I will respond to any posts directed to me by you or anyone else so I am not abandoning a search for a meaningful conversation. Henry

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (13043)	4/1/1998 10:03:00 PM
From: Henry Volquardsen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Jane, Thanks again for your response. I appreciate the honesty of your post and respect your heartfelt belief. As I said I am not a bible student so I won't be able to quote scripture as other will. I will put forward my views openly. I suspect you will disagree with some of what I say. I say these things not to offend you but so that we can both try to come to a better understanding of each other. I have struggled most of my life to reconcile what I hear pastors or other religious people say with I believe Christ's message was. To me Christ's message was love. Christ accepted all manner of sinners who would come to him. We were taught to love our neighbor as ourself. To judge not lest we be judged. You say that homosexuality is deviant and against God's law. I don't doubt that there are passages in scripture that can be interpreted as proscribing homosexuality. But much of scripture is combined with a historical narrative. Much of it is open to interpretation and is colored by the views of the human authors. To me there is only one clear and definitive statement of God's law, the Commandments. I believe the commandments are silent on homosexuality. I was struck by your comment that I do not look at practicing heroin addicts dragging into church and playing at salvation every month a brother. I still see them or her as someone who won't let go of satan's world. I am not going to pretend that I am not cynical about some people's professions of repentance. But that is a failing on my part. Who are we to judge what is in a person's heart? Only God knows what we truly believe. It is not our place to judge, it is God's. You state that God is being blamed for creating deviant behavior such as homosexuality. God created good and evil. He created all behavior, including homosexuality. I don't pretend to know if God considers homosexuality unnatural and a sin. I recognize that he may have created it as a test for some of his creatures to overcome. I do not have to struggle with that question, I am not a homosexual. The task I believe he set for me was to love his creations, however he created them. Christ taught us to love even the sinners for we are all sinners. It is for God to judge, not us. Respectfully, Henry