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To: Mesaba who wrote (19626)	4/1/1998 7:01:00 PM
From: Charliss	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<Strange,> Yes...as it usually is with anything beyond the circumspect of ordinary human experience. My own personal history, and what I know of the histories of people I have worked with or have otherwise become acquainted with, suggests that our belief systems often have a function that inhibits our imagination, precluding pure experience. In this sense, the illusion is achieved that our personal identities are safe. We come to believe that we are our belief system, and so when that belief system, says, for example, there is male and female, or just like me and not like me, then any remarkable variance in another human being just might be too dissonant...too threatening to the illusion of safety. This variance, especially when encountered from within the framework of a rigid religious belief system, cannot be tolerated if the illusion of this safety of identity is to be upheld. This is intolerance. Trouble is, not only is intolerance wrong from a moral and ethical perspective because it can be extremely harmful to others, it can kill the soul of the person harboring it, sometimes even the body of that person. The only real safety is no safety. Only love provides what our egos seek in the rigidity and the illusion, and for there to be love there must be the freedom that only imagination can lead us to. Yes...strange indeed. I have heard more than one transsexual person remark about the power to disrupt they seem to have simply because they themselves have chosen to lead a life of integrity based on their awareness of their true gender. Best, Charliss PS...I have often thought that Jesus may have been transgendered. He was born male, physically, and yet what he demonstrated in the particulars of his life is so very feminine in its beauty and in its strength and responsiveness.

To: Mesaba who wrote (19626)	4/3/1998 8:02:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Mesaba, perhaps you misunderstood me slightly when I was talking about cancelling the desire to have a sex change operation by "taking a pill". What I meant was that maybe in the future, instead of some people growing up feeling like their spirits inhabit bodies of the sex they are definitely NOT, making them very uncomfortable, and necessitating sex change operations, we could engineer instead some medication that would cause people to feel comfortable in the bodies in which they already live. I think that this might be practical at some point in the future, when we have figured out what all the causes are of transsexual feelings. Obviously, the medication would have to be given in childhood, so that long-term psychological disturbance did not occur. This would mean that parents necessarily be more aware of their children who did not act like typical boys and girls do, and instead acted more like the opposite sex. Because there is so much denial in parents, and so much insistence that children change, which damages them emotionally, a massive public education campaign would need to take place first. I am not saying that I want to butcher people's senses of themselves, or dishonor their instincts. What I am saying, instead, is that after having watched two transsexuals go through hormone treatments, extensive electrolysis, required psychological counseling, a year or so of acting like the sex they wanted to be, and extremely expensive surgery which is painful and is not covered by medical insurance, and does not even create a fully functional sexual organ in female to male transsexuals, it simply seems less traumatic if we could get to a place where, instead of carving up the body that does not suit, we could cause the feeling of being whole and right in the body of birth.