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To: Kashish King who wrote (9724)4/3/1998 12:13:00 AM
From: Scott McPeely  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10836
 
Re: Sun and IBM operating system agreement

This should have been announced at day 1. So what happened? Sun,
Oracle, and IBM were all developing their own operating systems for
NC's thus guaranteeing JVM incompatability. Does this sound like
Unix? ISV's who jumped on the java bandwagon were getting fed up with
the prospect of fragmentation so this agreement is supposed to keep
them on board.

Remember OS/2, IBM's Vietnam?

IBM is famous for its waffling and don't be surprised when their
hardware divisions get behind Microsoft Java in order to sell their
hardware. This happened with OS/2 and IBM isn't going to follow Sun's
lead when they have a far more competitive enterprise solution (eg. Starfire)than Microsoft has with NT.



To: Kashish King who wrote (9724)4/3/1998 12:21:00 AM
From: David R  Respond to of 10836
 
Rod, you are funny. You just have to look past the white papers and see what is really going on in the world. JTAPI has zero deployment. Most every major PBX vendor in the world has (or is working on) a TAPI service provider.

MSFT is not going to make or break JTAPI. JTAPI has the installed base to compete against. A base which is quickly moving to TAPI. Since we can not even record voice with Java yet, I wonder how long it will take for JTAPI to deliver. If it were full-featured and shipping today, then things could be different. MSFT has had lots of time to work on TAPI. TAPI 1 was junk. 2.1 was finally useful. Early reports of TAPI 3 have been favorable. And NMSS and DLGC will both offer TAPI3 drivers.

As for Sun, they make fine work stations, but the platform is too expensive. Our products must hit the low-end at around $10K, with 24*7 support, you can't spend too much on HW without going broke. NT is the CT platform of choice, like it or not. Every messaging provider is moving to NT. Every UnPBX product that I am aware of is on NT. The new IVR products are all NT. Like I said, if you would have come to CT expo, you would have seen NT and TAPI everywhere. Java products were suprisingly thin. Hmm, wonder why that was.

Reality is what we are talking here. But I can see that you are so bull-headed biased against MSFT that you would never concede even the obvious. Well, that is OK. I find your "I know more than anybody" attitude entertaining at times. Certainly good for brief diversions from an otherwise serious day.

G'nightm Rod.