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To: Tony McFadden who wrote (13214)4/4/1998 5:15:00 AM
From: RON JANOWSKI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Who said,

Who says I'm resisting him? I just know that it's impossible to pick one religion as 'right' and others as 'wrong'. So I eagerly learn all I can about as many as I can.

Tony the Agnostic.

You keep talking religion, and how you want to learn more about all of them ,
fine but knowing any or all religions is not knowing GOD !! Tony religion is mans way to reach GOD !! HE is not impressed by any of them..
JESUS was and is GODS way to reach man !!!! HE is not something you can learn. JESUS is a gift you must first accept that gift first, only than can you learn
more of HIM and then you will learn of him threw the HOLY SPIRIT who will speak of HIM to your spirit . When you do accept JESUS you will than be born
of the SPIRIT and only than can you know the truth and that truth will set you free.
And speaking of truth there is such a thing as a ' former alcoholic ' you see I am one used to be # 1 bigest drinker at Miller brewery in Milwaukee but in 1983 JESUS showed me the way to war in the Spirit, for we war not aginst the
flesh but aginst evil spirits . But we have victory threw JESUS CHRIST the Son
and who the Son sets free is free in deed !!!!
Tony, I pray that the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal the Truth to you and in the name of JESUS CHRIST , I come against those religion spirits and plead the Blood
of JESUS over your spirit and ask GOD to show you the truth that will make You
free in JESUS name I pray amen ... P.T. L. Ron J..



To: Tony McFadden who wrote (13214)4/4/1998 9:09:00 AM
From: hpeace  Respond to of 39621
 
I've lived in the Malaysia area too...
read thier constitution. " They grant freedom to chose your on religion"
their constitution even contradicts the koran which says you are muslem or you are killed.

did you know that most of the great scientist were christians ???????

As a point of fact.....I hate religion ten times more than you could ever hate it. religion is the scrourge of the earth and not what a loving Father intended.
Please don't accept anything I say as religious.



To: Tony McFadden who wrote (13214)4/4/1998 11:10:00 AM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
><>...It only means that, as an engineer, I have been taught...><>

to validate results.

Validate the following Tony:
In the New Testament alone, the prophesy fulfilled by my Lord Jesus is staggering, and
that was just in the last 24 hrs. of His life.
1.He would be betrayed by a friend (Ps. 55:12-14; 41:9)
2.He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zec.11:12)
3.The money would be use to buy a potter's field (Zec.11:13)
4.His disciple would forsake Him (Zec 13:7)
5.He would be accused by false witnesses (Ps. 35:11; 109:2)
6. He would be beaten and spat upon (Isa.50:4-6)
7.He would remain silent before His accusers (Isa.53:7)
8.He would be wounded and bruised (Isa.53:5,6,10)
9.He would be nailed to a cross (Ps 109:25)
10.His hands and feet would be pierced (Ps.22:16)
11.He would die between two thieves (Isa.53:12)
12.He would bear shame,reproach, and dishonor (Ps. 69:19)
13.He would pray for His executioners (Isa.53:12;Ps.109:4)
14.People would shake their heads at Him (PS.109:25;22:27)
15.He would be ridiculed (Ps 22:8)
16.His garments parted and lots cast for them (Ps.22:18) imagine this one, the same
ones who nailed Him to the cross, Gambled for the clothes He was wearing. Do you
think that even these people knew the man they were crucifying was somebody famous?
17.He would thirst (Ps 69:3)
18.He would be given gall and vinegar to drink (Ps 69:21)
19.Darkness would cover the land (Amos 8:9)
20.He would be the lamb of God (Isa. 52:7)
21. He would commit His soul to God (Ps. 31:5)
22.He would give a cry of victory and triumph (Ps.22:31)
23.His friends would stand far off (Ps.38:11)
24.His bones would not be broken (Ps. 34:20; Exod.12:46)
25.His side would be pierced (Zech.12:10)
26.His visage would be marred (Isa. 52:14)
27. His heart would be broken (Ps 22:14)
28.He would be buried in a rich man's tomb (Isa. 53:9)
29.He would be cut off, but not for Himself (Dan.9:26)
30. People would be astonished (Ps.22:17 Isa.52:14)

The odds against one man fulfilling all thirty of these prophecies is staggering: 1 chance
in 431,696,000

In His lifetime on earth there were a total of 300 of them. The odds against one man
doing this in one lifetime is:1 chance in 8x10to the power of 132, let me put it in zeroes
for you
1chance in 8x1,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,
ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,
ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,
ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,

Astonishing but true! You have a computer, compute it!
And those prophecies were just of Jesus the Son of God. there are hundreds more, of
which to date more than 3/4 have been fulfilled.
There is no man in the world, (not even a zillion Jean Dixions) that could ever prophesy
and be a 100% accurate, EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF!

And please
don't tell me that I've had faith trained out of me.

It hadn't even occurred to me. But it is clear that somewhere along your journey you either lost it or gave it away.

Have you ever humbled yourself before the Lord"
That's supposed to be good?

Have you never tried it?

Who says I'm resisting him?
Your heart speaks volumes!

I just know that it's impossible to pick one religion as
'right' and others as 'wrong'. So I eagerly learn all I can about as many as I can.

Learning of all religions is not a bad thing Tony, but don't settle on any religion. Go back to you first love. Religion is not the answer. You already know the answer and you continue to resist the only God who you know to be the one true God, the God of your youth! He was the one that was always there for you, you counted on Him and you knew He loved you. But something happened along the way and you began to run from Him, and have been running ever since. Stop blaming Him Tony, it is not His fault. Don't be so hard on Him. He's always been there for you. It is you who stopped looking to Him. He has always loved you even when you stopped loving Him. He loves you now, still, and you know it! You feel His love all around you, yet you hide from Him because you believe for some reason He let you down, but in truth Tony it was you who let Him down, and even in spite of that He loves more than you know and awaits your return.

Humble yourself before Him and you will know once again that He was always there! He has been with you all the time. Even with your back turned to Him, He was always there, watching over you protecting and loving you. He was there while you were searching out other gods. He was there when you spoke other gods names. He was there when you sat by yourself and pondered within your heart those private concerns. He was there Tony when you needed Him the most, when you cried out for comfort...He was there!.....And Tony He is with you now. He has never left you. You left Him. He is waiting Tony with open arms. Return to Him and His loving comfort. He is your Father and loves you more than you give Him credit for.

Tony I don't have to prove anything to you....You already know. The truth is within your heart, open it again, and know the joy of being home, where you belong. Where you've always wanted to be. You know He loves you and you too know that He is patiently waiting for your return. ...O How He Loves you Tony!

And you can Validate that very easily.

Shalom...><>
Luke 15:20
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

BTW Tony, hpeace was correct....there are no inaccuracies in the Bible...only in the mind of some men.




To: Tony McFadden who wrote (13214)4/4/1998 11:59:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Well, Tony, the Agnostic, if you do not feel the slightly divine leading of God the Creator to allow you to travel to this tiny electronic miracle blip of a thread, within a thread of thousands and thousands of people who post worldly, or drunken, or stoned, or bored, or greedy babble or simply nonsensical and fun human thought back and forth to each other-- replacing hundreds of other time consuming obsessions we all ONCE had-- if you do not feel the remote possibility of such chance leading you here to discuss things with certain people on this thread who have INFINITE patience in the area of your agnostic soul that this could in fact be the result of the interference in your life of the God you are not sure is there...well..

You sure don't seem very morally or emotionally disturbed to me, but rather a man with questions as to the possibility that there is NOT a God, as well as the possibility there is.

Then, as an educated man, you should ponder what are the possibilities of such a journey of hitting keys on a typewriter to end up here. Rather the journey, I believe of a needle in a haystack finding its way back to the farmer's wife's pin cushion.

Just a thought. I have worked with engineers most of my life as a secretary sort. That and legal. I found precious few believers among the lawyers, but tons and tons among the Engineers. It's not like God separated the sheep and the goats according to their ability to pass tests and get a degree. The more intelligent one is, I believe, the easier it is to find God. Some disagree. I believe He made it available to all from the idiot savant to Einstein, who DEFINITELY was a big believer, as was Braun, I understand. Also many of the major names today. A lot of them very, very dedicated followers of Jesus CHrist, all waiting to be with Him in that Day.

I've developed toxic poisoning levels too high to discuss anything with any more non-believers, and that's good. Enough is enough.

But I did want to say this, and hope you accept the reality of the strangeness of you ending up here from Malaysia, or wherever. This is all out of Revelations. Actually, it is striking me now more than ever that it is also a Sign to us here.