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To: mark silvers who wrote (13251)	4/4/1998 4:30:00 PM
From: hpeace	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

It's obvious that Jesus would not fit well when He was with any religion. Just read scripture./ Jesus responded with the utmost love with everyone regardless of their beliefs but whenever a religious person or pharisee approached Him and challenged Him....It was a different Jesus. You cannot say what Jesus would do if you don't know Him and you cannot know Him unless you researched the scripture. I challange you to prove your statement from history books and scripture.....You cannot.... Just read the gospel of Matthew, Mark , Luke and John... what happened whenever religion got close to Jesus... I implore you to just read... then try to make your case..you will fail to prove your statement. Jesus never held Himself up.He humbled Himself and God raised Jesus up, but, there are confromntation after confrontation of Jesus and religion. He wasn't a wimp. GO read scripture and history books and try to prove your statement... You are almost exactly opposite of what Jesus said and taught and acted. Again, you sound like a christain who says that evolution isn't true. But, you have done no research, you have no facts, you just say it isn't true becuase it isn't true. It's okay to have an opinion on this, but, don't mislead us and say your opinion is based on facts..."it's what you think and that is all".....no proof , no evidence. I dare say I wonder if you have even earnestly read any scripture or history of scripture. most of what you say you got from a priest who didn't read scripture or your auntie May who didn't know scripture either<ggg> I have teenagers who know more than 99% or the clergy. They read and think and research for themselves. They don't just parrot back what someone preaches.

To: mark silvers who wrote (13251)	4/4/1998 5:08:00 PM
From: Charliss	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

<I have a hard time picturing a defian Jesus, motivated by ego, chastising those who would not worship his name> I do too, Mark. In fact, I don't even entertain that kind of image in my thought. It is simply too insane, to think that Jesus really wanted to be worshiped. I think the great impressive thing about Jesus was that he was so totally unidentified with the ego, and so merged, really, with Spirit that such an idea wouldn't even occur to him. Here's how I see it. When Jesus said things like I and the Father are One....or, only through me...etc...he was not referring to himself personally; rather, he was referring to that which he had found within his own consciousness, with which he had become so totally identified. This is Spirit, or whatever. Of what we know, it is the Christ to which he was referring, except he didn't call it that...not speaking in Latin or Greek. In another part of the world, another mystic and teacher taught essentially the same thing. Instead of the Christ, this mystical I was called the Buddha nature. Basically, he was saying, there is this other dimension, which is not of this world...not based on fear, greed, hate, duality, etc...and this other dimension is the real I...the I AM...and this is a dimension that is deep within the core of each and every one of us. It is through this that we come to God. Jesus lived among the people of his time in an everyday kind of life, and in all his relationships he was coming out from this Christ nature, demonstrating love and abundance thusly. No..I have no problems with his teachings. He was so.....un-doctrinaire.... Best, Charliss