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To: mark silvers who wrote (13334)	4/6/1998 11:33:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"Are you trying to say that YOU dont judge people? Arent you the pot calling the kettle black here? Please answer this, as I am very interested in how you percieve yourself. Do YOU think that you judge others?" Your question about Christians judging other men is relevant, appropriate and very important for all Christians and for all men because Jesus said: John 12 "47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48: He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. In John 8;14 15: Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. Matt.7 1: Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Some have accused me of judging individuals and have repeated their accusations frequently and vehemently. ---------------------------------------------------------- It is clear from the Words of Jesus that He was opposed to judging men during the Christian era and consequently Christians should also not judge men. What did Jesus mean when He said not to Judge other men. "I judge no man" and "judge not lest ye be judged"? In John 8;14, Jesus said "I judge no man", but in the same conversation in John 8:44 he told the same people that rejected him " ye are of your father the devil and lust of your father ye will do". To the modern ear, this sounds like Jesus is Judging, but He is not judging but simply stating a fact. It is very important for the Christian to discern what Jesus really mean when He tells us not to judge. Since Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is simply stating a fact and not judging them when he tells the Jews who reject Him that they are of their father the devil. He is not judging their final salvation on judgment day but simply calling them to the reality that if they reject the God of aBraham, Isaac and Jacib then they are the children of the devil. When Jesus tells us not to judge, He is in essence telling us not to judge another persons utlimate salvation. If a person rejects Jesus today, we can say that they are not saved and if they continue to reject Him to their last breath, then the Words of Jesus that says "no man comes unto the Father except through Jesus" will judge that man in the final judgment of God. Have I ever judgeed other people since I've been a saved? Yes. I have had to repent many times of that horrible sin. For many years I have attempted to watch my words about judging an indivduals final salvation before the throne of God. If a person continues to reject Jesus until their death, I believe the Word clearly tells us that they have rejected the only hope of salvation. Identifying Islam or modern Judaism as religions that reject Jesus and are therefore antichrist does not fall under Jesus' warning for us not to judge. These are philosophical and religious systems and not men. The evil and error of their teachings should be identified, judged and condemned if they teach men that Jesus is not the Son of God, that Jesus is not the promised Messiah of the prophets, that Jesus did not come die for the sins of mankind. Judging these religious systems as evil is definitely not what Jesus was talking about when he told us to 'judge no man' about their final salvation. When Jesus tells us not to judge, He is telling us not to judge mens heart and final salvation. Only God knows that. He is not telling us not to judge mens false words and philosophies. In fact God tells us to judge all mens words and discern the truth. Do I continue to judge other mens salvation? I hope not, but If I do I want to know about it. Telling other men that they cannot be saved except through the Lord Jesus Christ is not judging them but exposing them to reality. I invite you and others to study my words by clicking on my name and determine for yourselves if I judge other mens salvation and hearts. I may have judge their words but never their ultimate salvation. If a man writes and says with his mouth that he rejects Jesus, I will tell him that if he continues in that rejection until his death, he will not enter the kingdom of God. This is not judging his heart but judging his words against the words of God. Again, check my words and convince me that I have judged mens utlimate salvation contrary to Jesus' words and I will humbly repent. It is possible that I am still sinning in this area and need repentance repent. Steve Covin(hpeace) has judge me: 1)as not being a real chrsitian. 2)and having no love in my heart. There is only two ways that Steve could judge the secreats of my heart, by revelation from God or by revealtion from Satan. Did Steve receive a revelation from God about my heart or did he receive a revelation from satan. Shalom has judged me as: 1)Not being a Christian. 2)of having a heart full of hate. 3)of being Vermin. 4)of desiring murder in my heart. 5)fo having no love in my heart. There is only two ways for Shalom to judge the secrets of my heart: special revealtion from God or a special revealtion from SAtan. Examining these mens words as to their truthfullness is not judging in the sense that Jesus tells us not to judge. Their judgments are not judgments of my beliefs but of my heart and my very salvation--diretcly contrary to the Words of Jesus. ----------