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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 4:35:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, You posted: <<And what Emile spout's is from the Lord?>> I can't believe this is still going on! Will someone please grow up!!! Sheeesh! Bob

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 4:50:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, What I believe Part 1 I have never in my life agreed with everything that anyone has said. As to my beliefs I thought I made it very clear that I am a Christian. Nevertheless I will spell out some of the things I believe. There is but one living and true God The attributes of God are the qualities, elements and perfections which belong to Him and are parts of His divine nature- not that His whole being consists of a combination of the same, but because they are the forms and expressions of His being which He has revealed to man. These attributes are natural and moral. The natural attributes reveal His existence as an infinite and rational spirit; that is self-existence, freedom, omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, wisdom. The moral attributes are holiness, righteousness, justice, goodness, love, grace, mercy and truth. As known to men on earth God is an invisible spirit, who, no man hath seen nor can see. he is eternal and self existent. He creates beings with immortality, but God alone possesses eternity. He is infinite, filling all space in the entire universe, embracing all worlds. He is omnipresent, infinite in power; shown by all his creations from the infinitely great to the infinitely small. All His acts are done by the exercise of His volition, and are seen by man in the universality, variety and multitude of His works. God's omnipotence is limited only by His moral perfections. God cannot lie not do any bad act, although He has the power. God is omnipresent. the creator, upholder, and governor of all things. He is omniscient, all things being open and naked before His eyes. God's wisdom is infinite, embracing all knowledge and is independent of all His creatures. We can tell Him nothing which He does not know, but His intelligent, infinite intuition comprehends all things past, present or future. This intelligence is perfect and absolute. Man analyzes things to find out their nature. God knows the nature without the analysis.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 5:06:00 PM
From: Chris land	Respond to of 39621

What I believe part 2 The foreknowledge of God is also absolute. How the foreknowledge of God is to be reconciled with man's free agency and moral accountability is indeed to men a dark problem, but in the Scriptures both are clearly taught, and faith accepts what reason cannot reconcile. Some of the churches have denied man's moral freedom, I have not. Others maintain that God in the exercise of His omniscience, like His omnipotence, abstains from knowing what His creatures will do under certain given circumstances. But the foreknowledge of God itself, unrevealed to men, does not impose nor even hint to me any course of conduct whatsoever; it in no degree affects His liberty of action. Man neither sins nor follows holiness, as the result of God's foreknowledge; so notwithstanding God's foreknowledge, He has made man in His image, a free moral being. God is infinitely wise, always knows what is best, always adopts means which will best accomplish His purposes. That is wisdom; for wisdom is the art of turning to best account our knowledge. Both in creation and providence God's wisdom is seen. His wisdom and His works everywhere confirm each other as being of God. No higher wisdom has ever been seen or known than Gods wisdom in the plan of human redemption. It solves the problem of God's justice in justifying the believer in Jesus Christ. The perfect goodness of God is seen in the benevolence which embraces all mankind and provides for their welfare. His merciful dealings with men declare His goodness; it is also seen in His unmerited favor, drawing man to salvation and in the use of so many means to this end, also in the abundant provision which He has made for man's present and eternal happiness.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 5:26:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What I believe Part 4 Jesus was the word of God from eternity. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. In heaven He is confessed by angels and saints to be God and equal with the Father. All the hosts of heaven worship Him, He was God manifest in the flesh. The Holy Ghost is one with the Father and with the Son. Equal in eternity, power and glory. In creation He moved upon the face of the waters and develped form and beauty out of disorder and confusion. In a new found believers life He does the same thing. He proceeded from the Father and from the Son, and took up His abode with His church on earth. He has been with us since that first pentecost. He is the comforter, guide and sanctifier of His people.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 5:52:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What I believe part 5 God made man upright. He was both material and spiritual and possessed of a divine life, and made in the image of God. He could hold communion with God, with all that is divine, as well as the material universe. He was made but a little lower than the angels, and was crowned with glory and honor and had dominion over the works of God's hands in the earth. He was a companion of his Father and Creator, capable of admiring, adoring and enjoying God. While he was material and possessed an animal nature, as he came from the hands of God, yet he was an intellectual, moral, pure and holy being. He was placed under law with life and death before him. Since both Adam and Eve had a free will, they had a right to serve or rebel against God just like the angels. Adam rebelled. Sin was born on the earth. The glory of the Lord departed from him and he fell. The stream of humanity is polluted at its source because the first pair was contaminated. Their descendants of necessity were in their image fallen and depraved. By one man sin entered into the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Our nature sinned in Adam and the stream became polluted at the fountain head. This depravity became universal or all the faculties and powers of the soul and body were brought under the power of evil.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 6:18:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What I believe... The death of Jesus Christ was vicarious and propitiatory and that by it divine justice is satisfied, and God can be just and the justifier of all who believe in Christ Jesus, and that pardon and salvation is freely offered to all men, upon repentence and faith. God knew from the beginning what choice Adam was going to make and did foreordain and devise a plan from the foundation of the world by which He would save men, and further, He did foreordain from the beginning, all men throughout the ages who would accept and be willing to conform to this plan, should be saved; so that everyone in harmony with His power and liberty of choice who shall choose eternal life through God's plan was foreordained to eternal salvation. True repentence is a condition of the soul before God wrought by the operations of the Spirit of God upon the heart and soul of man whereby he is made to see and feel the sinfulness of his sins, and also to forsake them utterly and with full purpose of heart to yield obedience to God in the future. The devil does not want people to understand their true wretched state and seek forgiveness. Whether a Christian is a month old in the Lord or 90 years old he will constantly try to downplay the reality of sin in that persons life. If a christian glosses over sin its to his detriment because it ruins his walk with God. Justification can only follow true repentence and is an act of God's free grace wherein he pardons the sins of man, and accepts him as righteous in His sight, only for the sake of Christ.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 6:27:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What I believe... True unfeigned faith in God believes all that God has said, commanded, promised or threatened. It is dependent upon testimony, and is valuable to us as the truth itself. We can believe what other men say, but unfortunately much of what people post here only comes from their vain imaginations. We are responsible for our faith, because someone can believe a lie even more readily than he can the truth. The truth only can make him free. True saving faith leads the soul to trust itself to the all atoning merits of the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Adoption is an act of God whereby the believing sinner is received into the family of God, with all the rights and priviledges of His children in which he becomes an heir of God with a right and title to eternal life.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (13684)	4/8/1998 6:40:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What I believe... The new birth of which our Lord spoke is that mighty change wrought of God in the soul of man when He imparts to him eternal life and renews him in the image of God. This change is the work of the Holy Spirit wrought in man, convincing him, of sin, and leading him to repentence and faith whereby he is born from above with eternal life as a gift from God. Any theology or doctrine that doesn't line up with the word of God deserved to be challenged and exposed for its' falseness. This includes any religion which dilutes or makes light of the authenticity of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Should I go on?..... I can already sense the devils raging. -Chris