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To: Kevin K. Spurway who wrote (31569)	4/9/1998 12:24:00 AM
From: Richard Tuck	Respond to of 1570760

Kevin, I still think that the average customer views the K6 and P-MMX as equals, but having the Compaq and IBM logos on the outside of the box makes a huge difference. AMD won those sockets because they were cheaper and allowed Compaq and IBM to make more margin and to provide a counterweight to Intel. As for the PII-266 and 300, it looks like they will be withdrawn in favor of the Celeron according to the Intel roadmap. The PII line will be just the 333 and above. I have no idea what the public will make of the K6-3D, especially at 350 MHz. Intel has a problem there because the K6-3D/350 will predate Mendecino. Richard

To: Kevin K. Spurway who wrote (31569)	4/9/1998 1:26:00 PM
From: Scot	Respond to of 1570760

<And even if the customer can't figure out that a K6 is faster than a Celery, what makes you think he'll figure out a PII is faster than Celery? After all, they all run at 266 MHz.> This is a very good point. I'm sure a certain amount of consumer confusion must already exist. Intel hasn't helped with its Pentium/Pentium Pro/Pentium II marketing brilliance. Now you add the snaileron into this mix. At least Cyrix isn't doing that 133+ thing anymore (are they?). The question is who does the confusion help? Does it help anyone? As someone posted several weeks ago, the new compaq K6 notebooks have crappy monitors. The price is lower than slower processors from Intel with better monitors. Sheesh, what a mess. I guess my argument would be that with all this confusion over bin speeds and processors, that the other peripheral components will play a larger role selling the computer. Some computers are sold through small mom and pop computer stores? I mean, not everyone buys a computer from Best Buy/CompUSA or through the mail. Perhaps these numbers are negligible, but let's look at the way they sell computers. Judging from all the available processors listed on pricewatch, I would argue that more and more K6's are available to the Mom's and Pop's. To compete against the brand-name OEMs, they will use the AMD processors to add-value to their systems in the form of better components, making them more attractive to both power users and average consumers. It would be nice if OEMs could do the same.....e.g., better monitors in notebooks. If it is true that the slot 1 will always cost more (adding both MB and processors costs) then it seems that socket 7 will continue to be a more attractive solution to consumers because of the added-value for the same price as the snaileron. Who cares about the bin speed when you've got more computer for the same price. -Scot