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To: James Yegerlehner who wrote (13837)	4/9/1998 9:37:00 PM
From: Kashish King	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

James, either this universe is eternal or something created it; otherwise it wouldn't be here. That's not as naive or anthropic as it sounds when you consider what I did not say. I have not suggested what form this extra-universal space might take or the entities which reside in it. There's nothing challenging or even thought provoking about the notion of a universe within the context of a necessarily undefined containing space. Such a container would not necessarily share any of the properties of this universe or, by extention, any artifacts of those properties. So, in the absence of time or anything else which we might consider universal, where is the glaring contradiction?

To: James Yegerlehner who wrote (13837)	4/10/1998 7:48:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

James, You said: <<Asking what created the universe makes as much sense as asking what is north of the North Pole.>> We know that north of the pole as well as every other direction is space and stars if you look at it in a larger context. Also if you look at the universe as not the end of existence but only one existence it is not impossible to see God as the creator of the universe. Look at a bacteria in a swimming pool (the owner forgot the chlorine <gg>). If the bacteria could think it would say this vast universe is endless, surely there is nothing larger than it. It can't see the pool that holds the water (universe) or the men that built it or the industry behind them or the world they live on. The bacteria is too small and limited. Even Steven Hawking, the renowned Cambridge physicist says the universe is too complex and well ordered to have happened randomly, it had to be created. Things that happen randomly always tend towards disorder. The evidence is before us and around us. Bob